The "FLOP"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

For it to fall into the flop category no contact would have to result in a reaction that was clearly meant to indicate there was contact

Originally Posted by Raymond

I consider players who throw themselves to the ground after a jump shot or who snap their heads back as if they got hit to be flopping.

Originally Posted by VaTerp

defenders who try to get PC fouls by feigning non existent contact or embellishing legal contact.

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

"I know it when I see it" approach works just fine for flopping

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I know it when i see it ... knowing it when I see it.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

the defender goes down much harder than the contact would have caused...that is a flop.

For all Forum posters who have described flopping in their own manner (some are pretty good descriptions).

When your see flopping (according to you own description) do you penalize with a technical foul?

Be honest.

Thirty-seven years of officiating, and a lot of basketball as a player, and a coach, and I have never, ever, seen, nor have I ever charged, a technical foul for "faking being fouled".

I've seen potential flopping situations adjudicated, possibly incorrectly, as blocking fouls, as no calls, and occasionally (actually rarely) observed an official warn, but have never seen a technical foul charged.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

For all Forum posters who have described flopping in their own manner.

When your see flopping (according to you own description) do you penalize with a technical foul?

Be honest.

Thirty-seven years of officiating, and a lot of basketball as a player, and a coach, and I have never, ever, seen, nor have I ever charged, a technical foul for "faking being fouled".

I've seen potential flopping situations adjudicated, possibly incorrectly, as blocking fouls, as player control fouls, or as no calls, and occasionally (actually rarely) observed an official warn, but have never seen a technical foul charged.

I have. Once.

I had a varsity boys player throw himself backwards without contact. I was *stunned* by that. Next time down the floor, I talked to the coach who didn't realize there wasn't contact *at all.* He took the player out.

Player came back in, did the same thing. Whack. Coach wasn't happy. I shrugged.

[LRZ]

MTD, BillyMac and maybe a few others might remember the 1963 Sports Illustrated article about the Celtics' Frank Ramsey, entitled "Smart Moves by a Master of Deception." In it, Ramsey described his defensive tricks, including how he flopped convincingly: http://www.si.com/vault/1963/12/09/5...r-of-deception

At the time, I studied that article religiously!

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I have a hard time calling a charge when the defender goes down much harder than the contact would have caused...that is a flop. Conservation of momentum is real...a slight bump by the shooter doesn't put the defender into the 3rd row.

This. Excellent post. Couldn't have said it better.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When your see flopping (according to you own description) do you penalize with a technical foul?

Be honest.

Nope. I usually just laugh at them, or say something like "Come on, man" or "Dude, who are you fooling?" More often than not they smile back, as if to say, "Ok, you got me." It lightens the mood while making the point. I don't often see that same player flop again.

If I had a situation like the one Rich described, however (i.e. egregious second-time offender), I'd probably whack him, too.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Conservation of momentum is real.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Excellent post. Couldn't have said it better.

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[Pantherdreams]

Up until this year I had only been in the gym for 1. My partner asked me to watch a kid who was going down every time his check ripped hard. He gave him an official warning. Middle of 3rd quarter kid bodied up to ball carrier on catch at mid court. Offense ripped high and d went down like hit by sniper. Partner T'd him up, kid stood up ha a mouth ful of blood spat some on my partners shoe. Partner tossed him. Wanted no part of it. lol

That was before this season. In our conference this year I was involved in games or witnessed games at tournaments where 5 different times it was called. Including 4 times in 1 game (all on shooters). In all of these cases it was on offensive players. I still routinely see defensive contacts where people go down and its clearly not the contacts fault but me and refs around me are just giving them the "get up signal".