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Positive Coaching Alliance program should be MANDATORY for every youth coach...problem is, if you got a few kids and a couple hundred bucks, you too can be a bball coach! |
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In a a fairly quiet gym, the coach was yelling at one of his players, "Are you going to let HER do that to you?" "If you want to get to the next level, you can't let a player like THAT cover you!" "Take her to the basket!" etc. While I thought the coach was an a$$hat, I didn't feel it was my place. The parents and administration are apparently allowing that behavior every day. Let them handle it. PS - He's not there anymore and was eventually let go.
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Consider that, generally speaking, coaches/players make more mistakes the lower the level of play. Violations/fouls are tolerated much more in a 4th grade game than they are in a Varsity game. Coaches are much less experienced with rules/strategy/coaching in a 4th grade game than they are in a Varsity game and therefore their actions are much more tolerated. Perhaps you meant that nonsense referred to something else. "Nonsense" has no place at any level. That is what makes it nonsense. Not looking for a debate and fully understand, I think, what you are saying. I simply meant that the types of issues in the OP could be handled without the rule book. Dialogue could probably fix it easier than embarrassing anyone or bringing the official to the center of attention. (not to mention avoiding a delay in the game, which is awful at that age level, lol)
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There are other ways to handle this situation if it bothers you that much. Why not just go to the coach and tell him what you did not like? Why is a T the only way to solve this problem? Peace
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So many of these travel ball coaches fall into two camps: green and don't know better or overly aggressive and probably should know better (but maybe don't).
To Rut's point: I usually find a word or two to the coach in question (or even an assistant you might perceive as bright enough to "get" it and pass word along), can rectify the situation. Most coaches don't want to think they're getting on the bad side of the refs. As to the OP or some of the other demeaning comments from coaches written about here, I think there's an important limit to what you let an aggressive coach get away with. There's a big difference between, "You have to move your feet and block the baseline!" and "You're going to let HER beat you baseline?" or "You're going to let THIS team beat you?!" If one player demeans, taunts or intimidates another player on the court, there's justification for a T. So we're going to let a coach loudly insult opposing kids for everyone to hear? A coach ripping his team is one thing -- it can be done just for his/her players' ears. Bellowing about another team or player so those kids/opponents and the entire crowd can hear is something on a different level, especially if it's mere kid ball. That gets back to my first point about some game management with the offenders initially; if they choose to display poor sportsmanship after that, stiffer measures might be needed. There's no way around it. So, no, I'm not proposing playing coach while in stripes, and I wouldn't got to the T as a first remedy. But I'm certainly not letting an utter lack of respect and decorum take over, either. Isn't the first thing said in a pre-game to the players and coaches (at least at the high school level) something about sportsmanship? |
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But the beauty of what we do is that officials have all kinds of opinions for all different kinds of reasons. Peace
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There's A New Sheriff In Town ...
Regarding the original post, I, personally, would stay out of it, but if I did want to get involved, which I don't, this travel coach has to answer to somebody.
Somebody publicizes league tryouts, somebody supplies the gymnasiums, somebody buys the uniforms, somebody pays for insurance, somebody pays the officials, somebody pays the custodian to open the school, somebody asked this guy to be a coach, and gave him the authority to coach the team, etc. In my town it would be the Parks and Recreation Department, and we have a Parks and Recreation Director. That's the guy who would get a call from me, if I did want to get involved, which I don't. Of course, the usual caveat, check your local listings. Offers may vary.
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The youth leagues I work stand behind the sportsmanship thing very sternly with their coaches and players and they support the officials. I don't see the same at AAU Tourneys. Hell, look what Adidas did when LaVarr Ball griped about the women officiating his team's game in Vegas. That is in part why I will never own a pair of Adidas in the future. It's a small amount of money they are losing but it's the principle for me. |
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Totally understand and agree with the comments since my previous. I am not looking to butt in or go to any T unless absolutely necessary, and only after cautioning at some level.
But RNC epitomizes it above for me. If I hear a coach essentially yell to one of his players, "You can't stop him/them even though he/they SUCK?!" -- which is the type of very loud commentary some have essentially referred to here -- it's not getting a deaf ear from me. The inmates won't run the asylum. |
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Do you actually think the stupid pregame meeting makes a difference in how players act? Newsflash: they're not listening to us 99% of the time.
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A pregame meeting or lack thereof makes absolutely no difference for me in my tolerance threshold or how much "leverage" I have.
Matter of fact, my threshold for nonsense is lower in wreck ball (in the rare event I work it) than in high school, even without the dumb meeting. |
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It's kind of like going to the gym and lifting for the first time. You won't be any stronger tomorrow than you are today, but if you do it every other day for two months, you will be stringer than when you started. |
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