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Old Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:09pm
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Spin move - Girls Basketball (Video)



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Old Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:19pm
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Obvious travel, which is never called. So it's understandable that the officials don't get it. No foul on the rebound.
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Old Sat Feb 24, 2018, 06:07pm
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Agreed with Scrapper.
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Old Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:37pm
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It was a travel..... it was not a foul....
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2018, 08:12am
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Under that rule set its a travel.

(Not that is matters but NCAA and high school rule sets in USA only rule sets where it is still technically a travel.)

Didn't see a foul on rebound.
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2018, 10:37am
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Under that rule set its a travel.

(Not that is matters but NCAA and high school rule sets in USA only rule sets where it is still technically a travel.)

Didn't see a foul on rebound.
And that may be true, but this is also where the game was established for the most part.

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Old Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:20am
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travel - left foot pivot foot lifted then returned to floor before releasing ball

no foul - no displacement or illegal use of hands

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Old Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:22am
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(Not that is matters but NCAA and high school rule sets in USA only rule sets where it is still technically a travel.)
What is the wording in other rules sets that makes this legal? (I'm not doubting you; I'm just curious)
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:23am
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Trail not engaged at all on that drive.

I like to think I would've called that one. Maybe I'm fooling myself.
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2018, 12:12pm
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I'm not calling it. Listen, when I see players get an obvious advantage then yes, but to me this is just a good move by a good player and very difficult to see the travel in real time. I don't want refs to start automatically calling a travel when they see a spin move like this.


I posted at the Wichita thread video 3 it was a travel as well. Yeah, advantage gained even if it was slight. That one I think I would have called a travel but I can't fault the refs for missing it. Another good move but the player did shift his foot after the move. This one by the girl player was in one continuous motion and people can disagree but I'm not going to call it.

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Old Mon Feb 26, 2018, 12:18pm
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I would have called it if I clearly saw the spin. If I did not, then I am not guessing. But most spin moves are travels. They just are. They are really not hard to see in many cases because we are giving a player a chance to make a move that is almost impossible to defend and allowing that move. We need to call this more. And I have called it and been told "That is not a travel" but those same people cannot tell me why it is not. Why do we allow a player to stop their dribble and completely spin without a dribble and claim that is an OK move? If they did the same thing without a dribble without a spin, we would cry foul. I do not get the logic why we do not call it other than it is often hard to tell when some players might have stopped their dribble.

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Old Mon Feb 26, 2018, 01:53pm
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Hard to see real time, but when broken down, a definite travel. No foul on the rebound.
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2018, 02:03pm
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(Not that is matters but NCAA and high school rule sets in USA only rule sets where it is still technically a travel.)
I honestly hope this doesn't sound like I'm being a jerk, but what other rule sets -- plural -- are there? I only know of NBA, and they haven't called traveling the same as the rest of the world in 50 years.

Now that I think about it, I suppose technically FIBA rules are in the USA, since the USA does send international teams into competition. But I think their travel rule is the same as NCAA, isn't it?
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I'm not calling it. Listen, when I see players get an obvious advantage then yes, but to me this is just a good move by a good player and very difficult to see the travel in real time. I don't want refs to start automatically calling a travel when they see a spin move like this.


I posted at the Wichita thread video 3 it was a travel as well. Yeah, advantage gained even if it was slight. That one I think I would have called a travel but I can't fault the refs for missing it. Another good move but the player did shift his foot after the move. This one by the girl player was in one continuous motion and people can disagree but I'm not going to call it.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ays-video.html
Lol, you point out your own inconsistency and try to defend it. If you're only calling it when there is an "...advantage gained..." then how is this spin where the girl gets off the shot, not an advantage?
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:16pm
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... But most spin moves are travels. They just are. ...

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Amen. By "most," it's higher than 99 percent too.
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