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JRutledge Sat Feb 24, 2018 01:09pm

Spin move - Girls Basketball (Video)
 
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Scrapper1 Sat Feb 24, 2018 01:19pm

Obvious travel, which is never called. So it's understandable that the officials don't get it. No foul on the rebound.

bob jenkins Sat Feb 24, 2018 06:07pm

Agreed with Scrapper.

Kelvin green Sat Feb 24, 2018 09:37pm

It was a travel..... it was not a foul....

Pantherdreams Mon Feb 26, 2018 08:12am

Under that rule set its a travel.

(Not that is matters but NCAA and high school rule sets in USA only rule sets where it is still technically a travel.)

Didn't see a foul on rebound.

JRutledge Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 1017853)
Under that rule set its a travel.

(Not that is matters but NCAA and high school rule sets in USA only rule sets where it is still technically a travel.)

Didn't see a foul on rebound.

And that may be true, but this is also where the game was established for the most part.

Peace

#olderthanilook Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:20am

travel - left foot pivot foot lifted then returned to floor before releasing ball

no foul - no displacement or illegal use of hands

bob jenkins Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 1017853)
(Not that is matters but NCAA and high school rule sets in USA only rule sets where it is still technically a travel.)

What is the wording in other rules sets that makes this legal? (I'm not doubting you; I'm just curious)

Rich Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:23am

Trail not engaged at all on that drive.

I like to think I would've called that one. Maybe I'm fooling myself.

TopicalTropical Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:12pm

I'm not calling it. Listen, when I see players get an obvious advantage then yes, but to me this is just a good move by a good player and very difficult to see the travel in real time. I don't want refs to start automatically calling a travel when they see a spin move like this.


I posted at the Wichita thread video 3 it was a travel as well. Yeah, advantage gained even if it was slight. That one I think I would have called a travel but I can't fault the refs for missing it. Another good move but the player did shift his foot after the move. This one by the girl player was in one continuous motion and people can disagree but I'm not going to call it.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ays-video.html

JRutledge Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:18pm

I would have called it if I clearly saw the spin. If I did not, then I am not guessing. But most spin moves are travels. They just are. They are really not hard to see in many cases because we are giving a player a chance to make a move that is almost impossible to defend and allowing that move. We need to call this more. And I have called it and been told "That is not a travel" but those same people cannot tell me why it is not. Why do we allow a player to stop their dribble and completely spin without a dribble and claim that is an OK move? If they did the same thing without a dribble without a spin, we would cry foul. I do not get the logic why we do not call it other than it is often hard to tell when some players might have stopped their dribble.

Peace

Chuga Mon Feb 26, 2018 01:53pm

Hard to see real time, but when broken down, a definite travel. No foul on the rebound.

Scrapper1 Mon Feb 26, 2018 02:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 1017853)

(Not that is matters but NCAA and high school rule sets in USA only rule sets where it is still technically a travel.)

I honestly hope this doesn't sound like I'm being a jerk, but what other rule sets -- plural -- are there? I only know of NBA, and they haven't called traveling the same as the rest of the world in 50 years.

Now that I think about it, I suppose technically FIBA rules are in the USA, since the USA does send international teams into competition. But I think their travel rule is the same as NCAA, isn't it?

Blindolbat Mon Feb 26, 2018 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TopicalTropical (Post 1017866)
I'm not calling it. Listen, when I see players get an obvious advantage then yes, but to me this is just a good move by a good player and very difficult to see the travel in real time. I don't want refs to start automatically calling a travel when they see a spin move like this.


I posted at the Wichita thread video 3 it was a travel as well. Yeah, advantage gained even if it was slight. That one I think I would have called a travel but I can't fault the refs for missing it. Another good move but the player did shift his foot after the move. This one by the girl player was in one continuous motion and people can disagree but I'm not going to call it.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ays-video.html

Lol, you point out your own inconsistency and try to defend it. If you're only calling it when there is an "...advantage gained..." then how is this spin where the girl gets off the shot, not an advantage?

ODog Mon Feb 26, 2018 06:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1017867)
... But most spin moves are travels. They just are. ...

Peace

Amen. By "most," it's higher than 99 percent too.


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