Administrative T discovered during 1 and 1

[akmay20]

The other Administrative T thread prompted me to bring my question to you guys. BJV game last weekend with a veteran partner who has far more experience than I do (some JUCO and mostly Varsity). As my partner is reporting a foul against Team B, which will result in a 1 and 1 for Team A, the scorer advises him that A1 is in the book as A11 (or vice versa).

He calls me over and tells me what happened. I reply with so we shoot 1 and 1 for A with lanes clear, then 2 free throws for B and B's ball at division line. Partner tells me that we will shoot B's shots first, then administer the 1 and 1 as a live situation. My gut and knowledge told me that was wrong, but I saw no sense in arguing with someone who is certain they're correct, so we went with his call. Nobody complained so we moved on as always. My partner is a very good official, but is known to slack off somewhat when he has sub-varsity games.

I just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on this, so I have a concrete interpretation when another situation like this arises. As I'm sure you're all aware, this applies to 3.2.2 and 10.1.2...thanks for the help!

[bob jenkins]

He had the college rule. You had the HS rule.

[akmay20]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He had the college rule. You had the HS rule.

Well that was easy. Thank you, sir.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He had the college rule. You had the HS rule.

I don't have a rule book handy, does the actual verbage say somewhere that you penalize in the order they were discovered? Or does it say the order they were called? Don't get me wrong, I agree entirely with your assessment of the ruling, just wondering about that small part-

[jpgc99]

Even though you are not working college ball, it is often helpful to know the major rules differences between the codes. That way you are not so much “arguing with someone that is certain they are correct,” but rather saying, “yes, you are correct... in a college game. The high school rule is different. We administer in the order of occurrence.”

[akmay20]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Even though you are not working college ball, it is often helpful to know the major rules differences between the codes. That way you are not so much “arguing with someone that is certain they are correct,” but rather saying, “yes, you are correct... in a college game. The high school rule is different. We administer in the order of occurrence.”

You're absolutely right...My uncle is a D1 Women's official and my step-father works D2 and below, including HS. Having them as resources has been invaluable, and they've always been sure to incorporate both NCAAW and HS explanations, if different. As an up-and-comer (hopefully), guys I work with do tend to ask me a lot of rule/case questions, which I can usually answer due to what I've learned from those two and my own homework.

IMHO, if others could follow suit with NCAAW rules, things would be a lot simpler (i.e, allow dead ball fouls to be ruled common rather than T).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by akmay20

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IMHO, if others could follow suit with NCAAW rules, things would be a lot simpler (i.e, allow dead ball fouls to be ruled common rather than T).

That wouldn't be simpler for those of us who work NCAA-M.

[crosscountry55]

Oh golly cheepers. That’s two threads about D1 MEAC officials messing up basic penalty administrations tonight alone. Not good.


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[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Oh golly cheepers. That’s two threads about D1 MEAC officials messing up basic penalty administrations tonight alone. Not good.

The games were Saturday and Monday. I just got around to posting the video today.