Making D1 in the Modern Age

[Player989random]

Originally Posted by SC Official

To be fair, I don't know how good you are and I don't work high-level college ball, but why would you go to a D1 camp before you're even on a D2 staff? Seems like that would be a more logical (and less expensive) next step.

Oh I harbor no belief I'm the next "Insert Name". I fully intend to apply for the local D2's. I just figure if I have to go these things at least 3 times I knock one out while I have the free time/spare cash.

I also have no idea how you get on D1. I have friends/know people who made D2 without D3/JUCO, and I have nothing to lose other than a lot of money.

[bucky]

Do it only if:

1) You have money to burn
2) You do not mind giving up some integrity
3) You have no "life" (SO, kids, career, etc.)
4) You, once you get there and made the sacrifices of 1-3 for years, do not mind getting dropped without any explanation/communication

Good luck!

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by bucky

2) You do not mind giving up some integrity

Can you elaborate?

[bucky]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Can you elaborate?

Nah, not enough time and not worth elaborating. Let's just say it will come into question at one point or another and one will have to make a decision regarding it.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by bucky

Nah, not enough time and not worth elaborating. Let's just say it will come into question at one point or another and one will have to make a decision regarding it.

Hey I have a secret.....nah I'm not going to tell you, but instead I'll post an obvious statement "integrity will come into question and one will have to make a decision regarding it."

Most people call this LIFE.

Now you have this guy wondering whats going to happen to him that he's going to have to strip down his integrity. That's an interesting play there Bucky.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Hey I have a secret.....nah I'm not going to tell you, but instead I'll post an obvious statement "integrity will come into question and one will have to make a decision regarding it."

Most people call this LIFE.

Now you have this guy wondering whats going to happen to him that he's going to have to strip down his integrity. That's an interesting play there Bucky.

I have to agree. Here's a guy coming here for advice and you're basically blowing him off because you don't want to take the time to elaborate on something that's no small thing. If you don't want to elaborate on something then perhaps don't say it in the first place.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Hey I have a secret.....nah I'm not going to tell you, but instead I'll post an obvious statement "integrity will come into question and one will have to make a decision regarding it."

Most people call this LIFE.

Now you have this guy wondering whats going to happen to him that he's going to have to strip down his integrity. That's an interesting play there Bucky.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I have to agree. Here's a guy coming here for advice and you're basically blowing him off because you don't want to take the time to elaborate on something that's no small thing. If you don't want to elaborate on something then perhaps don't say it in the first place.

I hear both of you and really can't disagree. I certainly did not intend what appears to have happened. I definitely did not intend to "blow off" someone or discourage anyone. I would love to elaborate on all 4 but it just isn't feasible.

Perhaps I should have posted:

Generally speaking and without knowing your skillset...

Is it worth paying for a D1 camp ($500+) if I know no one at the camp? Yes, you need to attend a D1 camp annually to become a D1 official. Go to D2 camps annually too.

Should I wait another year before shelling out the big bucks? Probably...perhaps several years. Get a D3,D2,Juco games under your belt and network like crazy.

With all the consortiums, what is the path to D1 nowadays? Experience and networking.

[Player989random]

Originally Posted by bucky

Do it only if:

1) You have money to burn
2) You do not mind giving up some integrity
3) You have no "life" (SO, kids, career, etc.)
4) You, once you get there and made the sacrifices of 1-3 for years, do not mind getting dropped without any explanation/communication

Good luck!

So 1,3, and 4 I've heard about from others. Yet I agree with SC, can you elaborate on point 2?

EDIT: And MTD, how did you get into college officiating before the camp system? It's a bit off-topic, but some history would be cool.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bucky

Do it only if:

1) You have money to burn
2) You do not mind giving up some integrity
3) You have no "life" (SO, kids, career, etc.)
4) You, once you get there and made the sacrifices of 1-3 for years, do not mind getting dropped without any explanation/communication

Good luck!

This list is utter and complete BS.

1) The money is an investment. It's not being burned. As long as you set realistic expectations and understand that camp is a great tool for improvement, even if you never make D1, that's fine.

2) Utter nonsense. Unless you consider the entire process to be an affront to your integrity, no one asks you to do anything that would bring your integrity into question. (At least, nobody asked me to.)

3) Again, this is just stupid. Camp takes several days in the summer. I did my camps with a wonderful supportive wife and a daughter. My wife loved that I had the passion to pursue it. I had a job that allowed me the flexibility in my schedule to go to camp. I had plenty of "life", but camp was important to me and my family supported that.

4) Of course you're going to mind if/when you get dropped. Everybody does; and very few leave D1 officiating completely of their own volition. (I know an official who was dropped from one of his conferences the season after working the NCAA D1 National Final.) But that doesn't mean the camp experience was a waste. You're still going to be a better official than when you started. You'll still have made friends and connections.

Set reasonable expectations, reasonable budget, and a reasonable timetable. And don't listen to Bucky.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bucky

Do it only if:
...
2) You do not mind giving up some integrity
...

Good luck!

Do you have to give up some of your integrity to work the highest level you work?