When is "Time Out!" a request?

[lrucks1]

Originally Posted by nolanjj68

SEC. 8 ART. 3 . . . Grants and signals a player’s/head coach’s oral or visual request for a time-out, such request being granted only when:

a. The ball is at the disposal or in control of a player of his/her team.

b. The ball is dead, unless replacement of a disqualified, or injured player(s), or a playerdirected to leave the game is pending, and a substitute(s) is
available and required.

Thank you that is what I thought. I was working with a newer official and I warned them that if they grant TO's using the team control concept that is a very slippery slope. However when I read the rule book it wasn't clear at the time. Thanks for clearing that up for me!!

[ballgame99]

Had this exact scenario in a boys V game the other night; even though I clearly stated the timeout was before the turnover (i distinctly heard "timeout" as the player was approaching the division line" with the ball, turned my head quickly to verify, and blew it, as I blew it I see the other team stealing a pass..) Coach tried to convince me it wasn't when it was called by the coach but when I blew the whistle.... I believe my comments was "That's not accurate Coach".

The other one I have seen is when a kid rises up and makes a cross court pass and the coach tries to call time out while its in the air. Sorry Coach.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

The other one I have seen is when a kid rises up and makes a cross court pass and the coach tries to call time out while its in the air. Sorry Coach.

But there's still team control!

[lrucks1]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

But there's still team control!

But you need player control to call a TO. Just like I never ever grant TO's in a scrum situation the player needs to have clear control to call a TO.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by lrucks1

But you need player control to call a TO. Just like I never ever grant TO's in a scrum situation the player needs to have clear control to call a TO.

uh, did you notice the smilies???

[lrucks1]

I did notice them just didn't know what that means thanks for clearing that my bad!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by lrucks1

I did notice them just didn't know what that means thanks for clearing that my bad!

It was a joke reference to another thread that was active at the time the comment was made

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Had this exact scenario in a boys V game the other night; even though I clearly stated the timeout was before the turnover (i distinctly heard "timeout" as the player was approaching the division line" with the ball, turned my head quickly to verify, and blew it, as I blew it I see the other team stealing a pass..) Coach tried to convince me it wasn't when it was called by the coach but when I blew the whistle.... I believe my comments was "That's not accurate Coach".

The other one I have seen is when a kid rises up and makes a cross court pass and the coach tries to call time out while its in the air. Sorry Coach.

True story, girls' VAR years ago in Michigan, and a two-person crew. Visitors are down three with less than 30 seconds to play. V-PG brings the Ball up court, Table Side. My partner is T, Table Side. V-HC is behind my partner and requests a TO. My partner turns his head toward V's Bench to verify V-HC's TO request. As my partner sounds his whistle for the TO, V-PG has already released at 3pt FGA that touches nothing but net. The Visitor's never came close to tying the game after their TO.

MTD, Sr.