Coaches Behavior

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by SC Official

A lot of times when I hear officials tell fellow officials they need “thicker skin,” it’s code for “I don’t handle business when I need to and I let too much bad behavior go.”

You better check your code translator............and grow a thicker skin.

The fans are not there to watch me and I'm not trying to be noticed. Based on what the OP originally said, that is not a reason to throw somebody out or have them thrown out.

Speaking for myself, I take care of business. I'm just not in the business of listening to the crowd and growing elephant ears. I guess I'm just too worried about the players and the coaches. You know, what's actually happening on the court!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

You better check your code translator............and grow a thicker skin.

The fans are not there to watch me and I'm not trying to be noticed. Based on what the OP originally said, that is not a reason to throw somebody out or have them thrown out.

Speaking for myself, I take care of business. I'm just not in the business of listening to the crowd and growing elephant ears. I guess I'm just too worried about the players and the coaches. You know, what's actually happening on the court!

If this is high school sports we are talking about, I do not care what they are there to see, because this is often a school event where behavior that would be unacceptable in many areas would not be tolerated. Again, they do not have to be there if they do not know how to behave. And often fans say things that influence the players more than influence us in any way. If I have a player that has to hear certain things that would be considered inappropriate in any other school event, that is not acceptable to me. Who cares who they are hear to see. Not my issue and if I choose they will not be there to see anyone.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

You better check your code translator............and grow a thicker skin.

The fans are not there to watch me and I'm not trying to be noticed. Based on what the OP originally said, that is not a reason to throw somebody out or have them thrown out.

Speaking for myself, I take care of business. I'm just not in the business of listening to the crowd and growing elephant ears. I guess I'm just too worried about the players and the coaches. You know, what's actually happening on the court!

Good ol' camp speak. What fouls do you swallow your whistle on so you won't be noticed, if that's your goal?

I don't think anyone said they were in the business of growing elephant ears. I certainly am not and neither is AremRed. I am in the business of not allowing fans to distract me, my partners, and the players from the competition. At the high school level where there are many nights with not a lot of spectators, one obnoxious fan could very well be removed. At the D1 level they play in big arenas where the officials are unlikely to hear any comments that cross the line in the crowd. And the fans that sit courtside who act up will be removed by security before the officials even have to get involved.

So please, stop with your holier-than-thou nonsense.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Good ol' camp speak. What fouls do you swallow your whistle on so you won't be noticed, if that's your goal?

I don't think anyone said they were in the business of growing elephant ears. I certainly am not and neither is AremRed. I am in the business of not allowing fans to distract me, my partners, and the players from the competition. At the high school level where there are many nights with not a lot of spectators, one obnoxious fan could very well be removed. At the D1 level they play in big arenas where the officials are unlikely to hear any comments that cross the line in the crowd. And the fans that sit courtside who act up will be removed by security before the officials even have to get involved.

So please, stop with your holier-than-thou nonsense.

I'm not holier than thou. I'm just not that offended by the statements in the OP. Once somebody swears or gets personal (using my name or saying something me specifically that crosses the line) then we have a problem and we get administration involved.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If this is high school sports we are talking about, I do not care what they are there to see, because this is often a school event where behavior that would be unacceptable in many areas would not be tolerated. Again, they do not have to be there if they do not know how to behave. And often fans say things that influence the players more than influence us in any way. If I have a player that has to hear certain things that would be considered inappropriate in any other school event, that is not acceptable to me. Who cares who they are hear to see. Not my issue and if I choose they will not be there to see anyone.

Yep.

I could not care less who the fans are there to see or how much they paid. Perplexes me that officials like SD think that should be a concern of ours. That's fanboy speak.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Yep.

I could not care less who the fans are there to see or how much they paid. Perplexes me that officials like SD think that should be a concern of ours. That's fanboy speak.

I didn't say it was a concern of mine. I just think that guys that start tossing people and going overboard on their authority are trying to be noticed or make themselves a bigger part of the action. I've seen it. Not every ref or every situation is that way, but it's fairly common.

Perhaps the things that happen are different based on geographical areas.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I'm not holier than thou. I'm just not that offended by the statements in the OP. Once somebody swears or gets personal (using my name or saying something me specifically that crosses the line) then we have a problem and we get administration involved.

Nor am I. I don't remove fans because I get offended; I remove fans if and when I get distracted (and normally so do my partners and the participants).

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I didn't say it was a concern of mine. I just think that guys that start tossing people and going overboard on their authority are trying to be noticed or make themselves a bigger part of the action. I've seen it. Not every ref or every situation is that way, but it's fairly common.

Perhaps the things that happen are different based on geographical areas.

Removing fans is not "going overboard." Heck if game management does its job, much of the time we shouldn't even have to get involved.

At a couple of the schools I've been to, the administrator will come up to us and say "just give me the look and I'll remove him/her."

[rockyroad]

Random fan sitting in stands yells "You suck, ref" or "you're a cheater, ref", just ignore and keep working the game.

Random fan comes down to court, stands on sideline, points finger at me and screams "You're a cheater", game administration will be involved and fan will leave.

It's not what they say always, but how and where they say it from.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

It's not what they say always, but how and where they say it from.

I nearly had a second row loudmouth fan removed this past Saturday. He said nothing vulgar, but because he chose to sit close to the court and be obnoxious in a relatively quiet gym, he was a distraction and thus one outburst away from getting removed. If he was sitting on the top row I doubt I would’ve noticed him.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Random fan sitting in stands yells "You suck, ref" or "you're a cheater, ref", just ignore and keep working the game.

Random fan comes down to court, stands on sideline, points finger at me and screams "You're a cheater", game administration will be involved and fan will leave.

It's not what they say always, but how and where they say it from.

Perfectly stated!

I'm not letting a moron like that distract me or stop me from doing my job. Once they are within a couple of feet of me saying that, then we have a problem for management to deal with.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Random fan sitting in stands yells "You suck, ref" or "you're a cheater, ref", just ignore and keep working the game.

Random fan comes down to court, stands on sideline, points finger at me and screams "You're a cheater", game administration will be involved and fan will leave.

It's not what they say always, but how and where they say it from.

Agree completely.

I know sometimes questioning certain things here makes others say we are not "pro-official" or saying what fans/coaches would say, etc.

But without additional context I think its utterly ridiculous to throw out a fan for saying, "you're terrible" or "you should be ashamed of yourself."

And I can tell you while you might get public support, NONE of the major HS assigners in my area would privately support such action. And your schedule would reflect accordingly. It makes you that guy.

While I agree some fans are overly obnoxious, I actually find a little pleasure in ignoring these idiots who get all worked up over a scholastic contest while I simply go about doing my job and officiate the game.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Nor am I. I don't remove fans because I get offended; I remove fans if and when I get distracted (and normally so do my partners and the participants).



Removing fans is not "going overboard." Heck if game management does its job, much of the time we shouldn't even have to get involved.

At a couple of the schools I've been to, the administrator will come up to us and say "just give me the look and I'll remove him/her."

You just nailed both of my points.

I don't get distracted. Some people do I guess.

I don't feel the need to handle problem fans because management can do it. I don't need to do it.

As I stated earlier, problems/fans and the ability of management must vary substantially from area to area. I guess I should feel blessed to deal with very good management.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If this is high school sports we are talking about, I do not care what they are there to see, because this is often a school event where behavior that would be unacceptable in many areas would not be tolerated. Again, they do not have to be there if they do not know how to behave. And often fans say things that influence the players more than influence us in any way. If I have a player that has to hear certain things that would be considered inappropriate in any other school event, that is not acceptable to me. Who cares who they are hear to see. Not my issue and if I choose they will not be there to see anyone.

Peace

Nothing wrong with your stance. I just don't think the things said in the OP were that bad and unacceptable behavior. We would be tossing people every single game if we are considering that unacceptable.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

... Speaking for myself, I take care of business ...

Correct me if I'm wrong (and it's definitely possible!), but weren't you the poster who within the last year or so spoke with pride about having never issued a coach a technical in a varsity game?

Originally Posted by ODog

Correct me if I'm wrong (and it's definitely possible!), but weren't you the poster who within the last year or so spoke with pride about having never issued a coach a technical in a varsity game?

Close, it was actually 2 years ago. Good memory.