Coaches Behavior

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by AremRed

It's been more fan behavior for me. I've thrown out several fans this year, 2 in HS contests. In all cases they were making direct, personal comments to me and the ref crew. And somehow refs I talk to still think I shouldn't have done it cuz they didn't use profanity, they only made comments like "you're terrible", "you're cheating our girls", and "you should be ashamed of yourself". Sorry fan, I don't get paid enough to listen to that. In both cases I threw out the worst offender and no one said a word after that. Yet somehow I'm the bad guy.

Originally Posted by CJP

Kudos to you for doing the right thing.

Is this common around the country? Maybe it's just here then, but I would get laughed at and then reprimanded if I tried to remove fans for this kind of nonsense. Only personal threats and/or profanity, or someone who is over the top beligerent is worthy of fan removal here. And we have game administration take care of it. We are not to directly interact with fans at all.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Is this common around the country? Maybe it's just here then, but I would get laughed at and then reprimanded if I tried to remove fans for this kind of nonsense. Only personal threats and/or profanity, or someone who is over the top beligerent is worthy of fan removal here. And we have game administration take care of it. We are not to directly interact with fans at all.

I was not there but I am going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt that there was some "over the top belligerent" behavior going on.

If a fellow official felt the need to remove a fan then I am not going to ridicule him for it.

[SC Official]

A lot of times when I hear officials tell fellow officials they need “thicker skin,” it’s code for “I don’t handle business when I need to and I let too much bad behavior go.”

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by SC Official

A lot of times when I hear officials tell fellow officials they need “thicker skin,” it’s code for “I don’t handle business when I need to and I let too much bad behavior go.”

You better check your code translator............and grow a thicker skin.

The fans are not there to watch me and I'm not trying to be noticed. Based on what the OP originally said, that is not a reason to throw somebody out or have them thrown out.

Speaking for myself, I take care of business. I'm just not in the business of listening to the crowd and growing elephant ears. I guess I'm just too worried about the players and the coaches. You know, what's actually happening on the court!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

You better check your code translator............and grow a thicker skin.

The fans are not there to watch me and I'm not trying to be noticed. Based on what the OP originally said, that is not a reason to throw somebody out or have them thrown out.

Speaking for myself, I take care of business. I'm just not in the business of listening to the crowd and growing elephant ears. I guess I'm just too worried about the players and the coaches. You know, what's actually happening on the court!

If this is high school sports we are talking about, I do not care what they are there to see, because this is often a school event where behavior that would be unacceptable in many areas would not be tolerated. Again, they do not have to be there if they do not know how to behave. And often fans say things that influence the players more than influence us in any way. If I have a player that has to hear certain things that would be considered inappropriate in any other school event, that is not acceptable to me. Who cares who they are hear to see. Not my issue and if I choose they will not be there to see anyone.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

You better check your code translator............and grow a thicker skin.

The fans are not there to watch me and I'm not trying to be noticed. Based on what the OP originally said, that is not a reason to throw somebody out or have them thrown out.

Speaking for myself, I take care of business. I'm just not in the business of listening to the crowd and growing elephant ears. I guess I'm just too worried about the players and the coaches. You know, what's actually happening on the court!

Good ol' camp speak. What fouls do you swallow your whistle on so you won't be noticed, if that's your goal?

I don't think anyone said they were in the business of growing elephant ears. I certainly am not and neither is AremRed. I am in the business of not allowing fans to distract me, my partners, and the players from the competition. At the high school level where there are many nights with not a lot of spectators, one obnoxious fan could very well be removed. At the D1 level they play in big arenas where the officials are unlikely to hear any comments that cross the line in the crowd. And the fans that sit courtside who act up will be removed by security before the officials even have to get involved.

So please, stop with your holier-than-thou nonsense.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Good ol' camp speak. What fouls do you swallow your whistle on so you won't be noticed, if that's your goal?

I don't think anyone said they were in the business of growing elephant ears. I certainly am not and neither is AremRed. I am in the business of not allowing fans to distract me, my partners, and the players from the competition. At the high school level where there are many nights with not a lot of spectators, one obnoxious fan could very well be removed. At the D1 level they play in big arenas where the officials are unlikely to hear any comments that cross the line in the crowd. And the fans that sit courtside who act up will be removed by security before the officials even have to get involved.

So please, stop with your holier-than-thou nonsense.

I'm not holier than thou. I'm just not that offended by the statements in the OP. Once somebody swears or gets personal (using my name or saying something me specifically that crosses the line) then we have a problem and we get administration involved.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If this is high school sports we are talking about, I do not care what they are there to see, because this is often a school event where behavior that would be unacceptable in many areas would not be tolerated. Again, they do not have to be there if they do not know how to behave. And often fans say things that influence the players more than influence us in any way. If I have a player that has to hear certain things that would be considered inappropriate in any other school event, that is not acceptable to me. Who cares who they are hear to see. Not my issue and if I choose they will not be there to see anyone.

Yep.

I could not care less who the fans are there to see or how much they paid. Perplexes me that officials like SD think that should be a concern of ours. That's fanboy speak.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Yep.

I could not care less who the fans are there to see or how much they paid. Perplexes me that officials like SD think that should be a concern of ours. That's fanboy speak.

I didn't say it was a concern of mine. I just think that guys that start tossing people and going overboard on their authority are trying to be noticed or make themselves a bigger part of the action. I've seen it. Not every ref or every situation is that way, but it's fairly common.

Perhaps the things that happen are different based on geographical areas.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If this is high school sports we are talking about, I do not care what they are there to see, because this is often a school event where behavior that would be unacceptable in many areas would not be tolerated. Again, they do not have to be there if they do not know how to behave. And often fans say things that influence the players more than influence us in any way. If I have a player that has to hear certain things that would be considered inappropriate in any other school event, that is not acceptable to me. Who cares who they are hear to see. Not my issue and if I choose they will not be there to see anyone.

Peace

Nothing wrong with your stance. I just don't think the things said in the OP were that bad and unacceptable behavior. We would be tossing people every single game if we are considering that unacceptable.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

... Speaking for myself, I take care of business ...

Correct me if I'm wrong (and it's definitely possible!), but weren't you the poster who within the last year or so spoke with pride about having never issued a coach a technical in a varsity game?

Originally Posted by ODog

Correct me if I'm wrong (and it's definitely possible!), but weren't you the poster who within the last year or so spoke with pride about having never issued a coach a technical in a varsity game?

Close, it was actually 2 years ago. Good memory.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by ODog

Correct me if I'm wrong (and it's definitely possible!), but weren't you the poster who within the last year or so spoke with pride about having never issued a coach a technical in a varsity game?

Originally Posted by AremRed

Close, it was actually 2 years ago. Good memory.

Over 500 games and no coach T’s is not coincidental or an indicator of good game management; it’s an unwillingness to penalize unacceptable behavior.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Close, it was actually 2 years ago. Good memory.

What does that have to do with the topic at hand? I provided a response above.

Yes, I agree, very good memory. Whether you whack a coach or not does not equate to you being a good or bad official. I know some disagree with that statement.

As explained in length above, I haven't needed to yet. We have plenty of respect and professionalism in our area. It seems like a lot of you are dealing with the opposite in your areas. I suppose there are many reasons why.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by ODog

Correct me if I'm wrong (and it's definitely possible!), but weren't you the poster who within the last year or so spoke with pride about having never issued a coach a technical in a varsity game?

Wow! Quite the memory!

In the past yearish, I have handed out a couple of Ts to players. None to coaches. That is what I meant about taking care of business. I do not tolerate unruly behavior from kids. Usually a stern verbal warning before we get a necessary technical works for me. If you see it coming and know the history of behavior of the participants, you can usually stop inappropriate behavior/actions before they really get going.

I don't believe we were talking about unruly coaches were we? I thought it was fans we were talking about?

If you want to bring up coaches, no, I haven't Td one up yet. I haven't needed to. To some on this board, it means that I'm letting too much go. In reality, we have very good coaches in this area that know where the line is and don't cross it. My methods of communication with coaches has kept them from reaching the boiling point. Everybody has their own things that work. What I have done has worked and has kept me from getting to the point of a technical foul.

That does not mean I am a perfect official. It means that I have been fortunate enough to work for good coaches that don't throw their anger at me. The day will come I'm sure.

From the sounds of it, most of you guys work teams that you are not familiar with and don't see very often. It's the opposite for me. We know pretty much ALL of the teams, coaches, and players well. Not socially or personally, but from seeing them so many times on the court. I believe that makes our job in this area easier. The coaches and players know what the lines are and not to cross them.