"60 or 30, coach?"

[UNIgiantslayers]

Here's the situation:

Great game between two quality teams that are well coached. Home coach is a great guy, always very complimentary of me. He pulled me aside after I had him last time and said my crew was lucky to have me, which is one of the very few times a coach has said something like that to me.

Home team ranked #10. They come out sluggish and visiting team goes up pretty big. Home coach wants a timeout and I hear a player request the TO. I grant the timeout to the player and ask coach whether he wants 60 or 30. He doesn't respond, he's focused on how terribly they're playing and coaching them. I move closer to him and say again, "full or 30, coach?" Nothing. Look at assistant. "60 or 30, coach?" Also focused on game plan and players, no response. Full it is.

I report to the opposing coaches and my partners that's a 60 second TO, report it to the table and start the timer. Heading to my timeout spot, he realizes I granted a full and starts going nuts saying he only wanted a 30. I say "sorry coach, I asked you 3 times and you didn't respond." He says he said 30 when he requested it, but I didn't hear him request it, I heard the player. I tried to explain that but he was pretty upset, and it wasn't a great way to start the game. Assistant says he said 30 too, but I'm 100% sure he didn't say anything. I was on the far block, so ended up as T on the throw in and he was in my ear about it. I apologized and told him again what happened. Here are a few questions, and if you have any further advice or how you would have handled it please chime in.

1. After he told me he wanted the 30, should I have just changed it? I think no, because the timer was started and this would probably miff the opposing coach. Also, I wouldn't have rule support for this.

2. When they don't tell you what they want, do you go full? I always have and have never really had a problem.

3. What should I learn from this? I feel like I probably could have done something differently, but I just can't really put my finger on what exactly that is.

Normally, I wouldn't really think too much about this but he is usually a really level headed guy and I like him. I feel like I've done a pretty good job of working on my goal this year-- coach communication. But I feel like there has to be something I can take away from this.

[Raymond]

If I get no immediate response, I observe what the requesting team is doing as they gather. If the players stay standing up I go with a 30. If they head to the seats, I give them a full.

I'm rarely going to ask more than once.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Raymond

If I get no immediate response, I observe what the requesting team is doing as they gather. If the players stay standing up I go with a 30. If they head to the seats, I give them a full.

I'm rarely going to ask more than once.

Bingo. Read the team if they don't tell you the first time.

[UNIgiantslayers]

That's why I keep coming back here. Thanks, guys.

[crosscountry55]

I also agree with BNR, BDR, and RICH (that's his actual name, not a set of initials).

To add to that, if you get guys who sit, and you therefore grant the 60, and then the coach says, "but I wanted a 30?!", I don't have any sympathy for the coach because he should know better. Of course I explain it more professionally, i.e. "Ok, coach, but your guys can only sit during a 60, so that told me that you wanted a 60."

Another thing I've learned is that you typically default to a 60 if reasonable efforts to quickly discern the desired length are ignored. Your mileage may vary, but that seems to be the majority opinion around the country.

I would say that a coach getting this upset about the length of a timeout is pretty rare. Most of the time, a coach might get just a little annoyed, but in the grand scheme of things it's small potatoes and he/she moves on very quickly (after all, you get five TOs, and most games not all TOs are used anyway).

[just another ref]

This is about the only thing in my pregame with coaches that I consider to be significant. I tell them "We're not going to chase you into the huddle begging for an answer. If you want a 30 make sure we see a signal, otherwise you WILL get a full."

It's never been a problem.

[BlueDevilRef]

I’m in same camp as Raymond.


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[Rich]

I called a full timeout a 60 tonight in honor of this thread.


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[Rich]

How do you notify the captains that the game's about to begin if you don't know who the captain is?

Funny that this is the one thing in that stupid meeting supported by the manual.


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

How do you notify the captains that the game's about to begin if you don't know who the captain is?

Funny that this is the one thing in that stupid meeting supported by the manual.

But it is in the Manual, so it must be something they must do right?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

... speaking captain ...

Originally Posted by Rich

How do you notify the captains that the game's about to begin if you don't know who the captain is?

Speaking captain is not part of my pregame, but it's not a problem for me if others do it. A few partners will ask for the speaking captain's number, and some may ask if they're starting (I guess to deal with Rich's comment above).