The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 03:23pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 134
The one thing I hear from officials that makes me cringe

When I read posts and fellow officials say "I am not going to..." I wonder about that official. Example-- "I am not going to ask a coach twice about whether its a 30 or 60" I am just curious-- are you doing something at that moment that is more important? A milliion things are going on in a coach's mind at a point in the game when he or she needs a timeout-- and him not communicating perfectly with you is not something to get in a power struggle over. I see controlling the flow of a game is #3 on (my) list of priorities (#1 keeping game safe, #2 preventing one team from gaining unfair advantage). Why not be the kind of official that works hard to keep game flowing smoothly, and putting forth a little effort to communicate with a coach can help greatly with that. Why do you have to be "that official" that thinks it's polemic situation-- "my way or the highway" attitude. Note, this post does not deal with any rule issues, as there is never a good excuse for ignoring the rules-- it's about being a LEADER on the floor rather than a DICTATOR, and often choosing to be "smart and effective" rather than "proving you are the boss"

Let the flames begin--
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 03:40pm
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 12,590
Yeah, I'm not going to chase a coach into his huddle and ask them what type of time-out they want. I'm not dictating anything. I ask, I don't get an answer, then I'm moving on to my duties, which include letting the opposing coach know what type of T-O is being assessed and reporting the T-O to the table.

Last I checked, there are 2 teams on the court, and the other team has a right to know how much time they have so they can properly prioritize what they are going to discuss during the T-O.

Leadership means running the game, not letting the game run you. There are also coaches who don't want officials coming into their huddle and asking questions that have obvious answers. Smart and effective means taking in context clues and making decisions without running over to the coach to prove how good of a communicator you are.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR

Last edited by Raymond; Mon Jan 08, 2018 at 03:45pm.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 03:47pm
High Five Master
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Southwest Missouri
Posts: 661
+1 Raymond. And I’m not here to be a dictator or be involved in a power struggle.

As a part of my pregame, I end with “coaches, let us know 30’s or fulls”. I’m simply expecting them to be able to comply with a simple request. Let’s not make it anymore difficult than it is.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 03:54pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 134
OP here-- I agree with Dennis

Dennis-- I'd be on your crew anyday. The kind of pragmatic leadership you describe is exactly what I value. If you know what the coach wants, but he does not overtly say it-- move on. I totally agree. My beef is with the kind of official that I described in my opening sentence.. one who says "I am not going too..." who would choose to make life difficult for the coach just because he can is the kind of guy I don't want on my crew.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 04:02pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 27,936
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef View Post
+1 Raymond. And I’m not here to be a dictator or be involved in a power struggle.

As a part of my pregame, I end with “coaches, let us know 30’s or fulls”. I’m simply expecting them to be able to comply with a simple request. Let’s not make it anymore difficult than it is.
I do not say that at all in the pre-game. I honestly do not need to tell them that, they know what their job is and that is to tell me what kind of timeout they have. If they do not tell me or I cannot get some solid indication, I am going with a full timeout. It is really that simple. And I have only had a issue a couple of times in my career and the coach was trying to be obstinate. The vast majority of times, the coach tell us even when asked.

Peace
__________________
"When the phone does not ring, the assignor is calling."
--Black

Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 04:11pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,923
You all keep referring to full timeouts and 30 second timeouts. I'm going to have to assume that a full timeout is a 60 second timeout even though no one has explicitly stated that here.

Does that mean that a 30 second timeout is a half-timeout?
__________________
If you ain't first, you're LAST!!!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 04:20pm
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 12,590
Quote:
Originally Posted by rotationslim View Post
Dennis-- I'd be on your crew anyday. The kind of pragmatic leadership you describe is exactly what I value. If you know what the coach wants, but he does not overtly say it-- move on. I totally agree. My beef is with the kind of official that I described in my opening sentence.. one who says "I am not going too..." who would choose to make life difficult for the coach just because he can is the kind of guy I don't want on my crew.
I don't want a guy on my crew who doesn't realize there are 2 coaches who require communication and is ignoring the non-calling coach, who is standing there waiting to find out the length of the T-O.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 05:16pm
Rich's Avatar
Get away from me, Steve.
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 15,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes View Post
You all keep referring to full timeouts and 30 second timeouts. I'm going to have to assume that a full timeout is a 60 second timeout even though no one has explicitly stated that here.

Does that mean that a 30 second timeout is a half-timeout?
I'm pedantic (it's an end line, not a baseline), but that's overly pedantic IMO.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 06:21pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 448
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich View Post
I'm pedantic (it's an end line, not a baseline), but that's overly pedantic IMO.
I thought he meant to make the font blue.....
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 06:24pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 27,936
Quote:
Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers View Post
I thought he meant to make the font blue.....
If he didn't, he will certainly have to get over it.

Peace
__________________
"When the phone does not ring, the assignor is calling."
--Black

Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 06:31pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 16,024
Sixty It Is ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge View Post
If they do not tell me or I cannot get some solid indication, I am going with a full timeout.
Agree. That's exactly how we're told to handle it here in my little corner of Connecticut (except "Full" is frowned upon, our evaluators prefer "Sixty").
__________________
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 07:08pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 16,671
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes View Post
Does that mean that a 30 second timeout is a half-timeout?
I usually report it as a "shorty."
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 08:26pm
Stubborn Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 1,412
The timeout should start when the players for both teams are at their benches. If the players are at the bench, and the timeout should start, I'm not going to hold things up because a coach... Who asked for the TO in the first place... Won't answer a simple question.

Btw, if a player asked for the TO then the coach has no excuse.

We already have to be the "bigger men" while coaches rant and rave, now you want us to hold your hand and help you call a freakin timeout. I don't think so.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 09, 2018, 04:40am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins View Post
I usually report it as a "shorty."
This is great. Do you guys do a round of shots as well?
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 09, 2018, 07:23am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,360
I hate coaches who just plain ol don't take responsibility for their and/or players actions, complain about everything, just like to make noise to make noise, who are always the victims.

Ya some officials are brutish, but in my experience they are outnumbered by the number of dipsh!t coaches.
__________________
in OS I trust
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I had to cringe... Ref Ump Welsch Basketball 10 Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:53pm
Anyone hear about this? Mark Padgett Basketball 1 Fri Oct 17, 2008 07:04pm
Officials Clinics, What Makes them Good? Bob Mc Football 8 Mon Apr 17, 2006 02:46pm
If they could only hear themselves... Dakota Softball 12 Fri Jul 22, 2005 09:24am
What did you hear Redhouse Basketball 17 Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:27am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:05am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1