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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 09:09am
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"these guys can sleep easier tonight!"

"These guys" refers to the officials, who can "sleep easier tonight" (sarcasm), since the fan video proved that their call was correct - and that the fan cared more about the call than the health of the player.
No, I understand what the post in and of itself meant. What doesn't make sense is leaving it has a reply to my post, which had nothing to do with the fans or getting the call right.
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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 09:51am
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Video of game this year.

What about this play?



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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 09:56am
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What about this play?



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I don't see what happened right after he landed, so like these officials I would have continued down the court. Once the ball reached the division line we lose sight of the player, so I can't tell what's going on with him. The away team passes the ball around the perimeter a couple of times, giving the officials ample opportunity to stop play and attend to the player, though.

Assuming that once the ball reaches the division line, and the home player has not moved or sat down, I'm stopping play to check on him... long before the entry pass into the lane.
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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 10:33am
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I don't see what happened right after he landed, so like these officials I would have continued down the court. Once the ball reached the division line we lose sight of the player, so I can't tell what's going on with him. The away team passes the ball around the perimeter a couple of times, giving the officials ample opportunity to stop play and attend to the player, though.

Assuming that once the ball reaches the division line, and the home player has not moved or sat down, I'm stopping play to check on him... long before the entry pass into the lane.
I don't lose sight of players who go down and may be injured. In a 3-man crew, I will always stay in the backcourt until play can be stopped.
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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 10:58am
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I don't lose sight of players who go down and may be injured. In a 3-man crew, I will always stay in the backcourt until play can be stopped.
I meant the camera moved ahead so that I, as a viewer watching the video, couldn't see the player.

For the record, I'm with you. I won't leave an injured player.

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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 09:57am
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Play 1: I would have killed the play at 13 seconds.
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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 10:12am
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Play 1: I would have killed the play at 13 seconds.
Yep. As soon as he pulled back and wasn't running the break, I'd probably blow it dead.
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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 01:40pm
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Yep. As soon as he pulled back and wasn't running the break, I'd probably blow it dead.
Agree.
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Old Wed Jan 10, 2018, 11:32am
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If those that did not know, I was on this particular game. I was the new lead in the situation and was unaware at the time that there was even an injury. I did not notice the player stayed back until the play was killed.

When I looked at the video, I was just fine with what was done. The Trail and the Center knew more about the play than I did at the time. I could make an argument that either thing could be done. I would have been fine if they stopped play and I was fine with them keeping the play going. The player was not in immediate danger. He was not going to bleed out, he was down for either turning his ankle or hurting his knee. If there were players around him then I get the position to totally stop the play. But when the player goes down, we have no idea if he is going to get up, which I see all the time and try to continue.

Full disclosure, the coach was upset and eventually got a T. It might have been for that situation, but I am not sure that was the only situation he was complaining about.

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Old Wed Jan 10, 2018, 12:07pm
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If those that did not know, I was on this particular game. I was the new lead in the situation and was unaware at the time that there was even an injury. I did not notice the player stayed back until the play was killed.

When I looked at the video, I was just fine with what was done. The Trail and the Center knew more about the play than I did at the time. I could make an argument that either thing could be done. I would have been fine if they stopped play and I was fine with them keeping the play going. The player was not in immediate danger. He was not going to bleed out, he was down for either turning his ankle or hurting his knee. If there were players around him then I get the position to totally stop the play. But when the player goes down, we have no idea if he is going to get up, which I see all the time and try to continue.

Full disclosure, the coach was upset and eventually got a T. It might have been for that situation, but I am not sure that was the only situation he was complaining about.
Coach might have been more upset at that Charmin Soft™ and-1 you called when he’s already down 12.

I kid, but have a more patient whistle there JRut. Don’t think you needed that one.
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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 09:58am
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What about this play?
Stop it on the try -- whether made or missed.

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Old Wed Jan 10, 2018, 12:49pm
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I'm more concerned with the foul called on this play...From the camera angle it doesn't look like much
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Old Wed Jan 10, 2018, 01:04pm
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I'm more concerned with the foul called on this play...From the camera angle it doesn't look like much
From the camera angle you can see the defender attempts to push the shooter. From the Lead's angle, the amount of contact is a lot easier to discern.
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2018, 12:24pm
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From the camera angle you can see the defender attempts to push the shooter. From the Lead's angle, the amount of contact is a lot easier to discern.
That's why I said from the camera angle
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:48am
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No, I understand what the post in and of itself meant. What doesn't make sense is leaving it has a reply to my post, which had nothing to do with the fans or getting the call right.
Pretty sure he replied to your post as an example of what you suggested about people's priorities not being in order with regard to player safety.
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