The effect of a technical foul on a coach

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Where I live we get a certain number of partner and school scratches, and I’d be willing to bet he’d be on my list.



He’s probably one of those guys that goes over and laughs with the coach that his partner just whacked.



Which reminds me of another pet peeve of mine.

I don't maintain a school blacklist. I won't. I consider it an unethical practice.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Where I live we get a certain number of ... school scratches ...

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't maintain a school blacklist. I won't. I consider it an unethical practice.

I'm sure that you would still allow school "scratches" for "conflicts of interest". I would never want to officiate at my daughter's school while was playing basketball. That would certainly be a lose lose situation.

Knowing that I was a basketball official, I was once asked by the athletic director (a friend of mine) at my daughter's school to umpire a junior varsity softball (I'm not a softball umpire) game when the umpires didn't show up one afternoon. It was me, or cancel the game. I explained to both coaches that I was not a softball umpire and that I was a parent of a junior varsity player. They both still wanted me to umpire. No equipment, so I called balls and strikes from behind the pitcher. Even with everyone on board, I was still uncomfortable the entire game, and it was only a junior varsity game. I received a check in the mail which I sent back asking that the money be deposited into the athletic awards account.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm sure that you would still allow school "scratches" for "conflicts of interest". I would never want to officiate at my daughter's school while was playing. That would certainly be a lose lose situation.

That's not a school scratch. That's an assigning decision.

I work games in my daughter's district. I will stop while she's in HS. If they didn't want me, they wouldn't hire me.


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[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't maintain a school blacklist. I won't. I consider it an unethical practice.


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We shouldn’t have it here. But schools are allowed to maintain scratch lists of officials (also dumb), so I guess it’s only fair that officials get the same privilege. I have a couple officials scratched but I don’t scratch any schools. The way I see it, if a coach or AD has some sort of beef with me, they can use one of their scratches if they don’t want to see me again. There’s one school in the area that a bunch of officials scratch because they don’t like way the boys coach acts. In other words, they’re too scared to whack him.

I whacked a girls coach who was up 20 points late in the game and wanted to start coaching me and got all butthurt when I asked him to deal with his assistant. He said “you’re going on my list” and I looked at him and said “I do not care” and walked away.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SC Official

We shouldn’t have it here. But schools are allowed to maintain scratch lists of officials (also dumb), so I guess it’s only fair that officials get the same privilege.



I whacked a girls coach who was up 20 points late in the game and wanted to start coaching me and got all butthurt when I asked him to deal with his assistant. He said “you’re going on my list” and I looked at him and said “I do not care” and walked away.

You misunderstood - or I wasn't clear. I don't let a school blacklist officials. If an official tells me he/she doesn't want to work a school, I'd honor that.

I don't want the schools to think for a minute they control who they get. I assign for a league and one of the reasons they hire assigners is to eliminate the appearance of home schools dictating who works their games.


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[sdoebler]

Originally Posted by Rich

You misunderstood - or I wasn't clear. I don't let a school blacklist officials. If an official tells me he/she doesn't want to work a school, I'd honor that.

I don't want the schools to think for a minute they control who they get. I assign for a league and one of the reasons they hire assigners is to eliminate the appearance of home schools dictating who works their games.


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There is an assignor in our state who I really like and is pretty well respected. He said he allows schools to tell him who they don't want to work their home games. He says sure they have a say in who works at there school, however the moment they do that I look at there schedule and put that official on 5-10 of there away games. He doesn't get a whole lot of those requests anymore.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

There is an assignor in our state who I really like and is pretty well respected. He said he allows schools to tell him who they don't want to work their home games. He says sure they have a say in who works at there school, however the moment they do that I look at there schedule and put that official on 5-10 of there away games. He doesn't get a whole lot of those requests anymore.

I've had an AD tell me that a certain official won't be allowed in his school again.

I haven't had a scheduling cycle since, but this is a great idea. However, I'm not fond of putting an official into a meat grinder when I can avoid it....so I'm a bit conflicted.

[FormerUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've had an AD tell me that a certain official won't be allowed in his school again.

So if you assigned that official to work at his school anyway, would they go so far as to physically bar him from being there? How would that work out?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've had an AD tell me that a certain official won't be allowed in his school again.

I haven't had a scheduling cycle since, but this is a great idea. However, I'm not fond of putting an official into a meat grinder when I can avoid it....so I'm a bit conflicted.

Out of curiosity, what was your response to the AD? What did the official do or reportedly do to trigger that ultimatum?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've had an AD tell me that a certain official won't be allowed in his school again.

I haven't had a scheduling cycle since, but this is a great idea. However, I'm not fond of putting an official into a meat grinder when I can avoid it....so I'm a bit conflicted.

Well just put him/her in a couple of games and let it ride.

At least assignors only control their conference. I could have a coach not want me during a non-conference, tournament or playoff game and that coach has no control over such a thing.

I had an ejection this summer from a coach that does not like me and he told me, "I will make sure you never work any of my games." Well, early in the season I worked one of his best rivals in a game and have him like two more times. And we have not gotten to the playoffs yet. Usually getting playoff games shut them up around here because they are so paranoid that they act like angels when they realize how little power they have over the process.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Raymond

To me it's the equivalent.

Agreed. I can’t imagine giving a flagrant T for either comment. Matter of fact, I can’t imagine any words/statements that would get a flagrant T from me at the varsity level (maybe slurs if said loud enough, but thankfully that’s never happened to me).

Originally Posted by JRutledge

At least assignors only control their conference. I could have a coach not want me during a non-conference, tournament or playoff game and that coach has no control over such a thing.

In South Carolina, if you’re scratched by a school, you don’t work any games for it: region, non-region, home, away, postseason...doesn’t matter.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SC Official

We shouldn’t have it here. But schools are allowed to maintain scratch lists of officials (also dumb), so I guess it’s only fair that officials get the same privilege. I have a couple officials scratched but I don’t scratch any schools. The way I see it, if a coach or AD has some sort of beef with me, they can use one of their scratches if they don’t want to see me again. There’s one school in the area that a bunch of officials scratch because they don’t like way the boys coach acts. In other words, they’re too scared to whack him.

I whacked a girls coach who was up 20 points late in the game and wanted to start coaching me and got all butthurt when I asked him to deal with his assistant. He said “you’re going on my list” and I looked at him and said “I do not care” and walked away.

By the way, that comment is a flagrant technical. If a coach threatens an official working there, he may as well get a head start on calling the assigner.


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[hamnegger]

Originally Posted by Rich

By the way, that comment is a flagrant technical. If a coach threatens an official working there, he may as well get a head start on calling the assigner.


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Exactly what I thought when i read it.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Rich

By the way, that comment is a flagrant technical. If a coach threatens an official working there, he may as well get a head start on calling the assigner.

Originally Posted by hamnegger

Exactly what I thought when i read it.

Really? Is this any different from when coaches say “you will never work here again”?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Really? Is this any different from when coaches say “you will never work here again”?

To me it's the equivalent.