Substitute during Bonus situation

[Stripes33]

Bonus free throw attempt by A1, ball has been bounced to the shooter. Horn sounds immediately after A1 receives the ball as B1 approaches table. Ball is then taken back from shooter because of the distraction. Question: Do you allow the sub in at this point or do you make them wait? Rule cited to justify either?

[Alabama_ref]

IMO why even take the ball from the shooter. The horn doesn't stop play. A whistle does. I tell them to play on

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Stripes33

Bonus free throw attempt by A1, ball has been bounced to the shooter. Horn sounds immediately after A1 receives the ball as B1 approaches table. Ball is then taken back from shooter because of the distraction. Question: Do you allow the sub in at this point or do you make them wait? Rule cited to justify either?

Is the ball dead? Answer that and you answer your question.

I will say that in these cases it's best to take the ball back and reset. There are many cases where "the whistle" only stops play, but there are some where you need to exercise common sense.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Stripes33

Bonus free throw attempt by A1, ball has been bounced to the shooter. Horn sounds immediately after A1 receives the ball as B1 approaches table. Ball is then taken back from shooter because of the distraction. Question: Do you allow the sub in at this point or do you make them wait? Rule cited to justify either?

I have no rules reference. What I would do is stop the free throw, tell the sub to wait, then administer the free throw.

My rationale is that I don't want this to become a habit, especially from the home team. Technically, since the ball is now dead, the sub could be allowed in by rule.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I have no rules reference. What I would do is stop the free throw, tell the sub to wait, then administer the free throw.

My rationale is that I don't want this to become a habit, especially from the home team. Technically, since the ball is now dead, the sub could be allowed in by rule.

+1 this is exactly how I have done it!

[just another ref]

Let the reaction of the players, or the lack thereof, determine how to proceed. If necessary, kill the play, let the sub in, and frown at the timekeeper.

[Nevadaref]

If the FT attempt is halted and readministered, the sub may enter under NFHS rules. Anyone who wouldn't allow the sub to enter at that point is just making up their own rules!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If the FT attempt is halted and readministered, the sub may enter under NFHS rules. Anyone who wouldn't allow the sub to enter at that point is just making up their own rules!

Or we are not allowing home teams to get an unfair advantage not intended by rule. Did it last night in a college game that I know the supervisor was watching on the internet. Visiting team about the throw-in ball at the 28' line in front of the home team's bench. After I gave ball to thrower-in, home coach runs a sub to table and table hits the horn. Thrower-in stops and looks at me. I kill the play, and as I'm telling sub he can't come in, crew chief is coming from across the court to say the same thing.

I'll live with my decision; and I don't think I'll end up in hell for doing it.

[SNIPERBBB]

Doesn't college have a rule disallowing a sub in that situation?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Doesn't college have a rule disallowing a sub in that situation?

There is a specific rule pertaining to the last minute of the 2nd half while the clock is stopped for a made basket.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Raymond

There is a specific rule pertaining to the last minute of the 2nd half while the clock is stopped for a made basket.

Or for an inadvertent whistle or to correct a timing error. (NCAA-M)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Or we are not allowing home teams to get an unfair advantage not intended by rule. Did it last night in a college game that I know the supervisor was watching on the internet. Visiting team about the throw-in ball at the 28' line in front of the home team's bench. After I gave ball to thrower-in, home coach runs a sub to table and table hits the horn. Thrower-in stops and looks at me. I kill the play, and as I'm telling sub he can't come in, crew chief is coming from across the court to say the same thing.

I'll live with my decision; and I don't think I'll end up in hell for doing it.

Even though another official or a supervisor is of the opinion that handling something in a certain manner is okay that still doesn't make it correct according to the rules. It only means that your personal opinion happens to match theirs. The problem with that path is that such agreement may not be the case for other situations. Hence, we have rules for everyone to follow.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Even though another official or a supervisor is of the opinion that handling something in a certain manner is okay that still doesn't make it correct according to the rules. It only means that your personal opinion happens to match theirs. The problem with that path is that such agreement may not be the case for other situations. Hence, we have rules for everyone to follow.

I am quite aware of what the rule is. I've made that clear in my responses. I've also made it clear I'm not going to allow home teams an unfair advantage because of how the rule is written. And I've made it quite clear that I'm willing to live whatever repercussions come from my handling of that rule.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

... I'm not going to allow home teams an unfair advantage because of how the rule is written.

And what if the substitute is on the visiting team?

[sj]

To change the play slightly what if the official tries to let them play on and does not get the ball from A1. But A1 gets confused and, thinking a sub is going to come in, steps into the lane still holding the ball and then bounces it back to the official.