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Old Mon Dec 11, 2017, 01:41pm
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UCLA @ Michigan plays (Video)

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Play #3: (Play is coming)



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1 and 2 seem like routine calls.

(3 isn't posted, yet)
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Old Mon Dec 11, 2017, 02:52pm
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1 and 2 seem like routine calls.
I thought #1 was pretty close. I am not sure that was a foul. Sometimes hard to call in real time, but it looks like the defender got the ball and almost made no contact with the arms. I would have liked to have had that back if I called a foul.

The first play was just an example of how we should call fouls on hits to the head even if slight.

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On #3, I don't think it was missed, the dribbler's hand appeared to be what was in contact with the ball last.

I don't think the should have rotated either....there was nothing over there to cover.
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#1) Don't like that the Trail put himself right on top of the trap and took himself out of position for the next pass. Would like for the Center to not have been moving away from the play when he blew his whistle.

#2) Not much to discuss. Hard contact, but not malicious or intentional.

#3) At the point where the question is asked, yes it was too early to rotate. Most of the players were still on the Lead/Trail side of the court and the ball was almost 40' from the basket.
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#3) At the point where the question is asked, yes it was too early to rotate. Most of the players were still on the Lead/Trail side of the court and the ball was almost 40' from the basket.
Agreed -- but he could have rotated once the player started the dribble to the corner.
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I thought #1 was pretty close. I am not sure that was a foul. Sometimes hard to call in real time, but it looks like the defender got the ball and almost made no contact with the arms. I would have liked to have had that back if I called a foul.

The first play was just an example of how we should call fouls on hits to the head even if slight.

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The angle we're seeing isn't great but I see solid contact between the defender's forearm and the A1's left elbow. I don't know about D1 but I think I'd want to call that a foul in my games.
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The angle we're seeing isn't great but I see solid contact between the defender's forearm and the A1's left elbow. I don't know about D1 but I think I'd want to call that a foul in my games.
For the record, D1 wants more fouls than our level. I still think that is not really a solid foul. If nothing was called I would have been fine in my games at the high school level.

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For the record, D1 wants more fouls than our level. I still think that is not really a solid foul. If nothing was called I would have been fine in my games at the high school level.

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I can see that being passed on. Defender went up and got ball, at least mostly.

It's all about a first reaction for the official -- obviously it tripped his trigger.
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I can see that being passed on. Defender went up and got ball, at least mostly.

It's all about a first reaction for the official -- obviously it tripped his trigger.
I have also made those calls I am sure in my career. They are close plays.

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1 and 2 seem like routine calls.

(3 isn't posted, yet)
Wow I thought play 1 was a great defensive play.
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Wow I thought play 1 was a great defensive play.
I'm not sure he even touched the ball on that play.
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I agree with Camron. Look at #14's left arm. That doesn't happen naturally. At full speed, with the flight of the ball going backward, I can see why some may think the defender hit the ball. However, it looks to me like he got hit on the left arm which caused the ball to come loose. The defender didn't argue or look surprised by the call.
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Wow I thought play 1 was a great defensive play.
You don't see the contact on the offensive player's elbow?
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You don't see the contact on the offensive player's elbow?
Not independent of the ball I do not. There is some incidental contact after the ball was defended, but that would not be a foul from my point of view if I saw it as clearly as the slow motion.

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