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Old Sat Dec 09, 2017, 02:55pm
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pass to yourself

Situation: A1 chases down a long rebound from B1 in team B's front court. A1 is immediately pressured by team B in A's backcourt. A1 makes a crosscourt pass toward her team mate A2. As A1 makes the pass, A2 vacates the area and the pass is headed out of bounds on the side court. A1 runs after the ball, picks it up and passes the ball immediately to a team mate. Is this legal?
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Old Sat Dec 09, 2017, 03:02pm
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collinst: Welcome to the Forum. Also, nice first post.

Did the player release the "pass" before lifting her pivot foot? Did the "passed" ball hit the floor? If so, consider it a dribble. A dribble legally started, and legally ended.

A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats
(intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once
or several times. The dribble may be started by pushing, throwing or batting the ball
to the floor before the pivot foot is lifted. The dribble ends when:
a. The dribbler catches or causes the ball to come to rest in one or both
hands.b. The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or
both hands.c. The dribbler simultaneously touches the ball with both hands.


If she released the pass after lifting her pivot foot, it's traveling.

If she released the pass before lifting her pivot foot, and the ball didn't hit the floor, it's traveling.

Traveling is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits
while holding the ball.


Also (and I'm getting real picky here), you can't, by definition, make a pass to yourself, only to another player.

A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the
ball to another player.
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Old Sat Dec 09, 2017, 03:59pm
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She had both feet firmly planted and did not lift either foot while making the pass. The ball bounced several times and began to roll across the floor when she recovered it. Also, I cannot find anywhere in any NFHS book a rule about passing to yourself. Can you tell me where to find it?
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Old Sat Dec 09, 2017, 04:17pm
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I cannot find anywhere in any NFHS book a rule about passing to yourself. Can you tell me where to find it?
NFHS Rule 4 Definitions: Pass: A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player.

Not a big deal, the definition states that a player can only pass, by definition, to another player. Any mention of a "self pass" on the Forum will get you an admonishment by other Forum members in a New York minute that there is no such animal.
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She had both feet firmly planted and did not lift either foot while making the pass. The ball bounced several times and began to roll across the floor when she recovered it.
Legal play. She legally started a dribble, and legally ended a dribble. She then makes a pass to another player and everything is copacetic. Play on.
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She had both feet firmly planted and did not lift either foot while making the pass. The ball bounced several times and began to roll across the floor when she recovered it. Also, I cannot find anywhere in any NFHS book a rule about passing to yourself. Can you tell me where to find it?
You won't find it because it doesn't exist. What you have is, by rule, a dribble. The only question is whether it's legal or not.

It is.
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The NBA does have a separate rule (relatively recent) prohibiting a pass to oneself...
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... he will attempt to get you to wear a shiny belt with an even shinier belt buckle.
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