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Old Thu Dec 07, 2017, 11:57pm
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I'm over there at a kindergarten Facebook discussion site tempted to make the case for the NFHS ruling on the situation where a player falls behind a rebounder and the rebounder with the ball trips over him... You know the situation I'm talking about.
Has anybody ever been able to document the actual year (I just checked 2006-07, the earliest books I have now) this was included in the NFHS Casebook prior to its deletion? Here's the Casebook situation quoted on this Forum a while back:

10.6.1 SITUATION E:
B1 attempts to steal the ball from stationary A1 who is holding the ball. B1 misses the ball and falls to the floor. In dribbling away, A1 contacts B1's leg, loses control of the ball and falls to the floor.

RULING: No infraction or foul has occurred and play continues. Unless B1 made an effort to trip or block A1, he/she is entitled to a position on the court even if it is momentarily lying on the floor after falling down.
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Old Fri Dec 08, 2017, 12:39am
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Went back to the books from 2006-07, the earliest I have. It's not in there. C'mon Nuc or Camron or Bob or Billy or anyone . . . got anything for us on this one?
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Went back to the books from 2006-07, the earliest I have. It's not in there. C'mon Nuc or Camron or Bob or Billy or anyone . . . got anything for us on this one?
Sorry, I don't keep all of the old books...only 1-2 years. I do have electronic copies for a few years but nothing older than 06-07...at least that I can find. I might have something on my work computer. Will check tomorrow.
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Old Fri Dec 08, 2017, 04:13am
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I believe it was in the 2004-05 Case Book, but dropped from the 2005-06 version.
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Old Fri Dec 08, 2017, 08:26am
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Old Fri Dec 08, 2017, 10:52am
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I looked back at all my books from the 1800's to current and couldn't find anything. Sorry.
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Old Fri Dec 08, 2017, 11:58am
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It is, in fact, on page 83 of the '04-'05 casebook. It does not appear to be in the '05-'06 casebook.
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Old Fri Dec 08, 2017, 07:14pm
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Being Tripped, Or Tripping ???

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10.6.1 SITUATION E: B1 attempts to steal the ball from stationary A1 who is holding the ball. B1 misses the ball and falls to the floor. In dribbling away, A1 contacts B1's leg, loses control of the ball and falls to the floor. RULING: No infraction or foul has occurred and play continues. Unless B1 made an effort to trip or block A1, he/she is entitled to a position on the court even if it is momentarily lying on the floor after falling down.
Thanks Freddy. I love this citation. Forum members have discussed this many times. Now we have a citation to use to settle the debate. However, why did it disappear in 2005-06? Was there a rule change? Did the casebook ruling change?

I've always told new officials that there's a difference between being tripped, and tripping. The former (a player intentionally sticking out their leg) is a foul, the later is not a foul.

Note: I believe that the NCAA ruling may be different, but I know more about vascular surgery than I do about NCAA rules, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Old Fri Dec 08, 2017, 10:50pm
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Thanks Freddy. I love this citation. Forum members have discussed this many times. Now we have a citation to use to settle the debate. However, why did it disappear in 2005-06? Was there a rule change? Did the casebook ruling change?
I'm sure you know this but for the edification of others:

The NFHS sometimes just retires case plays without a rule change. A case play being removed isn't indicative of there being a change in ruling absent another case play or rule change.
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