I am stumped !!

[Frankienova]

A1 goes up for a two handed dunk - he gets stuffed by the rim, never lets go of the ball and returns to the ground with the ball. What is the call?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Frankienova

A1 goes up for a two handed dunk - he gets stuffed by the rim, never lets go of the ball and returns to the ground with the ball. What is the call?

The ball must be released for a pass or try for goal before the pivot foot returns to the floor. If he didn't release the ball for the try, I think you'd have travelling here.

[Raymond]

Good question. I know the shot clock does not reset in those situations.

[bucky]

The call is one embarrassed A1.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by bucky

The call is one embarrassed A1.

Oh, c'mon, that must have been a foul!

[just another ref]

If he gets clobbered on the way down does he get two shots?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If he gets clobbered on the way down does he get two shots?

Why would the airborne shooter provision not apply to a dunker?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If he gets clobbered on the way down does he get two shots?

No.

Originally Posted by deecee

Why would the airborne shooter provision not apply to a dunker?

It does. In the OP the player is not an airborne shooter as s/he has not released the ball.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No.



It does. In the OP the player is not an airborne shooter as s/he has not released the ball.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No.



It does. In the OP the player is not an airborne shooter as s/he has not released the ball.

I am confused. Why does someone have to release the ball to be considered shooting? There are lots of times where fouls prevent the release of a shot.

Imagine B1 taking out the legs of the dunker and the dunker lands holding the ball. Not going to award two shots for the shooting foul?

Or, B1 is in the air about to release a shot. From behind, A1 hits B1 in the back of the head. Then A2, in front with his hand on the ball, prevents the release of the shot. Not going to award two shots?

Check rule 4-41 article 2. "...A player is trying for goal when the player has the ball and in the official's judgement is throwing or attempting to throw for goal. It is not essential that the ball leave the player's hand as a foul could prevent release of the ball."

Now, obviously there was no foul in the OP however I would judge the player to be, in 99.9% cases, attempting to throw for goal.

Is there a specific case citation for this play that indicate otherwise and to treat it as traveling? If so, set me straight.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

Why does someone have to release the ball to be considered shooting?

They don't, but they do have to release the ball to be considered to be an airborne shooter, which impacts contact rulings after the ball otherwise becomes dead.

An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try
for a goal or has tapped the ball and has not returned to the floor.