Stumped

[fullor30]

Coach asked a pretty good question which my partner and I were unable to answer with any conviction. before our game he said he had an inbounds where his girl A2 is standing three feet to the right of A1 who is inbounding, after A1 inbounds to A3, she takes a one or two steps to her right as she enters the court to use A2 as a screen. I looked over rule 9 on violations and found nothing.

My gut feeling is it's a violation as the intent is to deceive the defender before she is legally on the court, it's comparable to running out of bounds to go around a screen, or sneeking down the sideline out of bounds to avoid the opposition. Of course you could say when inbounding, using a ball fake on defender is used for deception also.

I'm thinking there is language somewhere to immmediately returning to the court, yet in the most circuitous manner is not mentioned.

[bob jenkins]

Technical foul.

[Adam]

I wish they'd make this a violation, but Bob's right.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Technical foul.

The horse is out of the barn.........I did mean to say tech.

Is there a casebook on this or rule citing?

[LocDog249]

If it is not a spot throw in, isn't team A allowed to have more than one person OOB?

Say then that A1 and A2 enter at the same time.... What would be wrong with this?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by LocDog249

If it is not a spot throw in, isn't team A allowed to have more than one person OOB?

Say then that A1 and A2 enter at the same time.... What would be wrong with this?

Stick to the thread..........

[LocDog249]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Stick to the thread..........

How am I off topic? If A2 is three feet to the right of A1 who is inbounding and therefore OOB, isn't A2 also OOB?

If A2 is on the court, then I misread the question. I was picturing this as 2 players OOB coming onto the court at the same time, and one using the other as a pick as they return together. (obviously this would not apply if it were a spot throw-in, but that was not made clear)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LocDog249

If it is not a spot throw in, isn't team A allowed to have more than one person OOB?

Say then that A1 and A2 enter at the same time.... What would be wrong with this?

Once the ball is released for the throwin pass, all players who are legally OOB must return immediately to the playing court.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Once the ball is released for the throwin pass, all players who are legally OOB must return immediately to the playing court.

I suppose then it would fall on us to determine whether the entry was immediate. The 'letter of the law' might be the shortest route. That said, someone's two steps might be more 'immediate' than someone's one step.

What if player was backed up 8-10 feet within 3 foot boundary and after in bounding, ball was tipped going at a 90% degree angle to inbounder and he makes a diagonal cut to go where the ball is headed. The shortest route for reentry would be straight ahead.

[BktBallRef]

C'mon guys, 1 or 2 steps.

I've got nothing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

C'mon guys, 1 or 2 steps.

I've got nothing.

Fair enough. You can't call a violation, because A1 was OOB for an authorized reason. The only rule you could invoke here would be the T. But I'd consider 1 or 2 steps to be close enough to directly onto the court.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

C'mon guys, 1 or 2 steps.

I've got nothing.

I'm with you on this, BBR, failed in description to say almost within three feet boundary allowance given to inbounder. A definite 'had to be there situation.'

Any blatant deception entering would certainly warrant a T.

[LocDog249]

Originally Posted by fullor30

A2 is standing three feet to the right of A1 who is inbounding

This initially made it sound to me like both players were OOB. I know now that they were not.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by LocDog249

This initially made it sound to me like both players were OOB. I know now that they were not.

Sorry, I didn't make it clear enough, edited OP.

[BillyMac]

10-3-2: A player shall not: Purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds.

10.3.2 SITUATION A: A1 has the ball out of bounds for a throw-in. A1 completes the throw-in to A2 and then purposefully delays his/her return by taking four or five steps along the end line prior to coming inbounds behind a screen set by A3 and A4. A1 gets a return pass from A2 and takes an unchallenged try for goal. RULING: A1 is charged with a technical foul for purposefully delaying his/her return to the court following the throw-in. A1’s movement out of bounds along the end line was to take advantage of the screen and return to the court in a more advantageous position.

Original post states, "one or two steps", while the casebook play states, "four or five steps". Is this a significant difference?