Throw In NFHS game

[Stripes33]

After a made basket A1 takes the ball out of bounds and has his feet half way in bounds and half way out of bounds. A1 throws ball to A2 in bounds, what's the call? I called a violation immediately.

I ask because after the game a very experienced official stated that the proper mechanic would be to continue the 5 second count and call the violation then. I can understand his thinking if A1 was still completely in bounds when he threw the ball to A2 but that was not the case. My response to his scenario is what happens if B1 steals the ball and scores or if A1 throws a long baseball pass for a layup at the other end before the 5 second violation.

Thoughts?

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Stripes33

After a made basket A1 takes the ball out of bounds and has his feet half way in bounds and half way out of bounds. A1 throws ball to A2 in bounds, what's the call? I called a violation immediately.

I ask because after the game a very experienced official stated that the proper mechanic would be to continue the 5 second count and call the violation then. I can understand his thinking if A1 was still completely in bounds when he threw the ball to A2 but that was not the case. My response to his scenario is what happens if B1 steals the ball and scores or if A1 throws a long baseball pass for a layup at the other end before the 5 second violation.

Thoughts?

Violation: Case 9.2.2 Sit C

Now, if it is a blowout, no pressure at all, and a very small crowd where no one would notice, maybe let it slide and verbally tell player at next dead ball. Or, just quickly tell him to take it all the way out of bounds. Sounds as if it was fairly obvious though and needed to be called.

[Camron Rust]

You were correct. Immediate violation. Throwin violation for not making the throwin from OOB.

There was some debate over this a few years ago and eventually the NFHS created the case bucky cited removing any doubt as to which violation occurred and when.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by Stripes33

After a made basket A1 takes the ball out of bounds and has his feet half way in bounds and half way out of bounds. A1 throws ball to A2 in bounds, what's the call? I called a violation immediately.

I ask because after the game a very experienced official stated that the proper mechanic would be to continue the 5 second count and call the violation then. I can understand his thinking if A1 was still completely in bounds when he threw the ball to A2 but that was not the case. My response to his scenario is what happens if B1 steals the ball and scores or if A1 throws a long baseball pass for a layup at the other end before the 5 second violation.

Thoughts?

What do you mean by "half way in bounds and half way out of bounds"?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by CJP

What do you mean by "half way in bounds and half way out of bounds"?

Which part is unclear?

[CJP]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Which part is unclear?

You are either in bounds or out of bounds. I am trying to understand the whole play.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by CJP

You are either in bounds or out of bounds. I am trying to understand the whole play.

The OP understood that the player was standing OOB - he was confused as to when he should call the violation based on what another more experienced official told him later on.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CJP

You are either in bounds or out of bounds. I am trying to understand the whole play.

It seems pretty obvious that the inbounder had either (a) one foot in bounds and one foot out of bounds, or (b) both feet on the boundary line such that each foot was touching bout inbounds and out of bounds simultaneously.

And, that while the player was out of bounds, s/he violated the throw-in criteria.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It seems pretty obvious that the inbounder had either (a) one foot in bounds and one foot out of bounds, or (b) both feet on the boundary line such that each foot was touching bout inbounds and out of bounds simultaneously.

And, that while the player was out of bounds, s/he violated the throw-in criteria.

If a foot is on the boundary line (not over it) during the throw in, is there a violation?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by CJP

If a foot is on the boundary line (not over it) during the throw in, is there a violation?

no

[CJP]

Originally Posted by just another ref

no

Okay. I was just making sure because my question in post #4 seems to have generated some unnecessary responses.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CJP

If a foot is on the boundary line (not over it) during the throw in, is there a violation?

It depends on whether you define "line" as the 2" (or 10" or 36" ..) "paint" on the floor, or the geometrical boundary between IB and OOB.

The entirety of any paint is OOB; the entirety of the area inside the paint is IB

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

Case 9.2.2 Sit C.

9.2.2 SITUATION C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1
grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a
throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain
inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate,
who scores a basket. RULING: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on
B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1
must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in. (7-4-3; 7-5-7)

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by CJP

Okay. I was just making sure because my question in post #4 seems to have generated some unnecessary responses.

You've been awfully nitpicky and unnecessarily crabby lately. Maybe try a nap.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You were correct. Immediate violation. Throwin violation for not making the throwin from OOB.

There was some debate over this a few years ago and eventually the NFHS created the case bucky cited removing any doubt as to which violation occurred and when.

One of the few times I was right and Jurassic was wrong! Very satisfying.