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Stripes33 Wed Dec 06, 2017 01:18pm

Throw In NFHS game
 
After a made basket A1 takes the ball out of bounds and has his feet half way in bounds and half way out of bounds. A1 throws ball to A2 in bounds, what's the call? I called a violation immediately.

I ask because after the game a very experienced official stated that the proper mechanic would be to continue the 5 second count and call the violation then. I can understand his thinking if A1 was still completely in bounds when he threw the ball to A2 but that was not the case. My response to his scenario is what happens if B1 steals the ball and scores or if A1 throws a long baseball pass for a layup at the other end before the 5 second violation.

Thoughts?

bucky Wed Dec 06, 2017 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by Stripes33 (Post 1012398)
After a made basket A1 takes the ball out of bounds and has his feet half way in bounds and half way out of bounds. A1 throws ball to A2 in bounds, what's the call? I called a violation immediately.

I ask because after the game a very experienced official stated that the proper mechanic would be to continue the 5 second count and call the violation then. I can understand his thinking if A1 was still completely in bounds when he threw the ball to A2 but that was not the case. My response to his scenario is what happens if B1 steals the ball and scores or if A1 throws a long baseball pass for a layup at the other end before the 5 second violation.

Thoughts?

Violation: Case 9.2.2 Sit C

Now, if it is a blowout, no pressure at all, and a very small crowd where no one would notice, maybe let it slide and verbally tell player at next dead ball. Or, just quickly tell him to take it all the way out of bounds. Sounds as if it was fairly obvious though and needed to be called.

Camron Rust Wed Dec 06, 2017 01:55pm

You were correct. Immediate violation. Throwin violation for not making the throwin from OOB.

There was some debate over this a few years ago and eventually the NFHS created the case bucky cited removing any doubt as to which violation occurred and when.

CJP Wed Dec 06, 2017 02:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stripes33 (Post 1012398)
After a made basket A1 takes the ball out of bounds and has his feet half way in bounds and half way out of bounds. A1 throws ball to A2 in bounds, what's the call? I called a violation immediately.

I ask because after the game a very experienced official stated that the proper mechanic would be to continue the 5 second count and call the violation then. I can understand his thinking if A1 was still completely in bounds when he threw the ball to A2 but that was not the case. My response to his scenario is what happens if B1 steals the ball and scores or if A1 throws a long baseball pass for a layup at the other end before the 5 second violation.

Thoughts?

What do you mean by "half way in bounds and half way out of bounds"?

Smitty Wed Dec 06, 2017 02:23pm

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Originally Posted by CJP (Post 1012409)
What do you mean by "half way in bounds and half way out of bounds"?

Which part is unclear?

CJP Wed Dec 06, 2017 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 1012411)
Which part is unclear?

You are either in bounds or out of bounds. I am trying to understand the whole play.

Smitty Wed Dec 06, 2017 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by CJP (Post 1012413)
You are either in bounds or out of bounds. I am trying to understand the whole play.

The OP understood that the player was standing OOB - he was confused as to when he should call the violation based on what another more experienced official told him later on.

bob jenkins Wed Dec 06, 2017 02:58pm

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Originally Posted by CJP (Post 1012413)
You are either in bounds or out of bounds. I am trying to understand the whole play.

It seems pretty obvious that the inbounder had either (a) one foot in bounds and one foot out of bounds, or (b) both feet on the boundary line such that each foot was touching bout inbounds and out of bounds simultaneously.

And, that while the player was out of bounds, s/he violated the throw-in criteria.

CJP Wed Dec 06, 2017 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1012418)
It seems pretty obvious that the inbounder had either (a) one foot in bounds and one foot out of bounds, or (b) both feet on the boundary line such that each foot was touching bout inbounds and out of bounds simultaneously.

And, that while the player was out of bounds, s/he violated the throw-in criteria.

If a foot is on the boundary line (not over it) during the throw in, is there a violation?

just another ref Wed Dec 06, 2017 03:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJP (Post 1012433)
If a foot is on the boundary line (not over it) during the throw in, is there a violation?


no

CJP Wed Dec 06, 2017 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 1012434)
no

Okay. I was just making sure because my question in post #4 seems to have generated some unnecessary responses.

bob jenkins Wed Dec 06, 2017 03:40pm

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Originally Posted by CJP (Post 1012433)
If a foot is on the boundary line (not over it) during the throw in, is there a violation?

It depends on whether you define "line" as the 2" (or 10" or 36" ..) "paint" on the floor, or the geometrical boundary between IB and OOB.

The entirety of any paint is OOB; the entirety of the area inside the paint is IB

BillyMac Wed Dec 06, 2017 08:16pm

Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1012403)
Case 9.2.2 Sit C.

9.2.2 SITUATION C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1
grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a
throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain
inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate,
who scores a basket. RULING: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on
B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1
must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in. (7-4-3; 7-5-7)

UNIgiantslayers Thu Dec 07, 2017 09:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJP (Post 1012436)
Okay. I was just making sure because my question in post #4 seems to have generated some unnecessary responses.

You've been awfully nitpicky and unnecessarily crabby lately. Maybe try a nap.

Scrapper1 Thu Dec 07, 2017 09:11am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1012406)
You were correct. Immediate violation. Throwin violation for not making the throwin from OOB.

There was some debate over this a few years ago and eventually the NFHS created the case bucky cited removing any doubt as to which violation occurred and when.

One of the few times I was right and Jurassic was wrong! Very satisfying. :D


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