travel off a dribble.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by jpd5184

Im a new Ref studying for my test. I was watching this highschool game online for some practice and came across an akward play(link below).

https://youtu.be/3uh7dtDSv1I?t=11m27s

At 11:35 when #5 gains possession of the ball he establishes his left foot as his pivot. Seems to me his pivot comes off the ground before the ball leaves his hand to start dribbling. Shouldn't this be a travel.

Secondly. When #5 continues the play and "jump stops'; isn't this a travel as well. He has gathered the ball with his left foot on the ground, then does not land simultaneously on both feet.

thoughts?

My thoughts are that you're trying to have the best eyes in the gym and show off your rules knowledge. Don't do that.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Peace

I need you to tell me how to do this...This kid ends dribble somehow with both hands below waste. I agree in this play you cant really tell if dribble ends in one hand. his hands are damn near together so i would not split hairs on this one. On the standard layup i think it is obvious that the player ends dribble in one hand and brings it over to the other and then goes up. If you said pivot rules done apply until two hands on ball then he gets an extra half or full step. Again, this play i agree. I cant tell when he ends dribble and wouldnt split hairs.

What i will say is it does no good to be the only guy on the court calling travel.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigCat

You understand that dribble can end with one hand on bottom top etc. that's what gather means to you. But to most people when they hear gather they think two hands required. Dribble ends covers everything.

But the player in this play gathered the ball with two hands. Not understanding why it matters about anything else right now.

Peace

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But the player in this play gathered the ball with two hands. Not understanding why it matters about anything else right now.

Peace

I agree in this play the kid "ended the dribble with two hands." Or was close enough that I cant tell. Again, I really think most dribble are ended with one hand and brought to the other. Most people that i hear think "gather" means the dribble cant end until two hands on the ball. You agree two hands arent required. I just dont like the term gathered for what i know it means to most other people. Nothing more nothing less..

I need to learn how to post video stuff etc...when you have time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I agree in this play the kid "ended the dribble with two hands." Or was close enough that I cant tell. Again, I really think most dribble are ended with one hand and brought to the other. Most people that i hear think "gather" means the dribble cant end until two hands on the ball. You agree two hands arent required. I just dont like the term gathered for what i know it means to most other people. Nothing more nothing less..

I need to learn how to post video stuff etc...when you have time.

I think people use the term "gather" in relation to starting a shooting motion. I rarely hear it used when it comes to traveling alone.

Peace

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think people use the term "gather" in relation to starting a shooting motion. I rarely hear it used when it comes to traveling alone.

Peace

It does make more sense there. Just never been a fan of the term...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

What BigCat would have said if he were in a better mood is that “gather” is announcer-speak for “ending the dribble.” The dribble ends while the dribbler is airborne. 2nd foot down is the pivot, but it doesn’t return to the floor until after the try has been released. No travel.
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I can't see the video at work, but how would the 2nd foot down be the pivot?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I can't see the video at work, but how would the 2nd foot down be the pivot?

You’re right. Brain fart. Meant to say 1st foot.


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[UNIgiantslayers]

This sort of smells of a coach unhappy with a call trying to get validation. Just my $.02.

[Pantherdreams]

Also, I think if you are splitting hairs with how a dribble ends when the player is bringing the ball to both of their hands, then you will be awful inconsistent (IMO) in trying to determine what a fast moving player is doing. I like to use the "gather" or when players being the ball together with both of their hands because it is clearer when that took place and most of the time.

Above is why NFHS and NCAA are the only two rule sets in the world still trying to use this determination to establish pivot foot. NBA and FIBA both now have "zero" step on catch/when dribble is ended by moving player and first foot contact after that is first step and pivot foot.

As their are multiple ways to end dribble/gather/(insert appropriate descriptive language) and determining when exactly this happens is inexact in real time all other rule sets are now establishing pivot foot after we can clearly see the ball has been caught/picked up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Also, I think if you are splitting hairs with how a dribble ends when the player is bringing the ball to both of their hands, then you will be awful inconsistent (IMO) in trying to determine what a fast moving player is doing. I like to use the "gather" or when players being the ball together with both of their hands because it is clearer when that took place and most of the time.

Above is why NFHS and NCAA are the only two rule sets in the world still trying to use this determination to establish pivot foot. NBA and FIBA both now have "zero" step on catch/when dribble is ended by moving player and first foot contact after that is first step and pivot foot.

As their are multiple ways to end dribble/gather/(insert appropriate descriptive language) and determining when exactly this happens is inexact in real time all other rule sets are now establishing pivot foot after we can clearly see the ball has been caught/picked up.

At least for the NBA, people claim there is traveling when the rule might not support their claim. I do not think any of this changes because of the rules set that are being used.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Also, I think if you are splitting hairs with how a dribble ends when the player is bringing the ball to both of their hands, then you will be awful inconsistent (IMO) in trying to determine what a fast moving player is doing. I like to use the "gather" or when players being the ball together with both of their hands because it is clearer when that took place and most of the time.

Above is why NFHS and NCAA are the only two rule sets in the world still trying to use this determination to establish pivot foot. NBA and FIBA both now have "zero" step on catch/when dribble is ended by moving player and first foot contact after that is first step and pivot foot.

As their are multiple ways to end dribble/gather/(insert appropriate descriptive language) and determining when exactly this happens is inexact in real time all other rule sets are now establishing pivot foot after we can clearly see the ball has been caught/picked up.

Whether you have the NBA/FIBA rule or the NFHS/NCAA rule, you still have some action that marks the when the traveling rules come into effect, regardless of how much foot movement is permitted. All the FIBA/NBA rules have done is make it so that more foot movement after a catch is legal...but there is still a specific point at which the travel rules begin. When was the ball caught? And, then, how much foot movement is legal.