2017-18 NFHS Basketball Part I Test

[JRutledge]

But someone needs to tell me how is an open book test that is given without specific time limit (like 2 hours for example) is cheating? We have an open book test and it is common for people to go over the test together. If they want a test to be secret or like you would take an exam when you were in school, then require everyone to take the exam.

How about this one. Stop putting so much emphasis on a test?

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But someone needs to tell me how is an open book test that is given without specific time limit (like 2 hours for example) is cheating? We have an open book test and it is common for people to go over the test together. If they want a test to be secret or like you would take an exam when you were in school, then require everyone to take the exam.

How about this one. Stop putting so much emphasis on a test?

Peace

Not everyone lives in your little corner of the world and there is more than one way that people do things. Just because it is an open book test in your area doesn't mean it is everywhere. In fact, it isn't.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not everyone lives in your little corner of the world and there is more than one way that people do things. Just because it is an open book test in your area doesn't mean it is everywhere. In fact, it isn't.

But then do not get on people as if they are doing something wrong when they might be doing what is expected or accepted. If you live a state that worries about these things, then worry about the people from your state. Not everyone in the country even takes the NF test at all. Glad my main state does not. But if someone needs to get a question like:

What is the basket ring:

a. 20 inches in diameter and 10 feet above the floor.
b. 18 inches in diameter and 9 feet above the floor.
c. 18 inches in diameter and 10 feet above the floor.
d. 20 inches in diameter and 9 feet above the floor.
e. 19 inches in diameter and 10 feet above the floor.

I am sorry, this is one of the dumbest questions that are on the test. It is not only a silly question, are we going to measure to find out on each court? Are we going to not play if it is not the right answer? We have all seen a basketball court and been around the court at some point in our lives. Great to know what these measurements are, but if we cannot get a backcourt violation rule right or we do not know when LGP takes place or is established, that is a bigger issue than knowing the rim is 19 inches or 20 inches.

Peace

[bucky]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But then do not get on people as if they are doing something wrong when they might be doing what is expected or accepted. If you live a state that worries about these things, then worry about the people from your state. Not everyone in the country even takes the NF test at all. Glad my main state does not. But if someone needs to get a question like:



I am sorry, this is one of the dumbest questions that are on the test. It is not only a silly question, are we going to measure to find out on each court? Are we going to not play if it is not the right answer? We have all seen a basketball court and been around the court at some point in our lives. Great to know what these measurements are, but if we cannot get a backcourt violation rule right or we do not know when LGP takes place or is established, that is a bigger issue than knowing the rim is 19 inches or 20 inches.

Peace

I understand what you are saying and agree mostly but....

Having people take tests is not always about the questions. It might be about some but certainly not all. In my experience in the education/training fields, in situations like these it is more about people just getting into the material. In looking up an answer to say, a silly question such as yours, people will see/read other, more pertinent information. They will get browsing/reading and covering so much more material than just what the question needed. This is the main point of many, not all, associations/etc. that have officials take open book tests. It often times, gets people together, which spurs rules/cases conversation, build camaraderie, etc. Indeed, many questions are silly, but the end result is that many get somewhat better.

Just my two cents, not looking for a debate/argument.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

I understand what you are saying and agree mostly but....

Having people take tests is not always about the questions. It might be about some but certainly not all. In my experience in the education/training fields, in situations like these it is more about people just getting into the material. In looking up an answer to say, a silly question such as yours, people will see/read other, more pertinent information. They will get browsing/reading and covering so much more material than just what the question needed. This is the main point of many, not all, associations/etc. that have officials take open book tests. It often times, gets people together, which spurs rules/cases conversation, build camaraderie, etc. Indeed, many questions are silly, but the end result is that many get somewhat better.

Just my two cents, not looking for a debate/argument.

I am not saying do not take a test. Testing is fine with me, but if you are going to have one, then test the right things. If NF (or anyone) had that as the only question like that, but I recall 5 or 6 at least asking for the line or measurement information.

Nothing to debate or argue, it is my opinion. Take it for what it is worth.

But most of those real rules conversations I see people have are often at the bar or actual situations that happen in games (or other levels).

Peace

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But someone needs to tell me how is an open book test that is given without specific time limit (like 2 hours for example) is cheating? We have an open book test and it is common for people to go over the test together. If they want a test to be secret or like you would take an exam when you were in school, then require everyone to take the exam.

How about this one. Stop putting so much emphasis on a test?

Peace

Same with refs in my area. We get together and do the open book test. It's a great way to get discussion going on various topics. Even though our test is open book, it's not easy. Great way to get ready for the season.

I agree with JRut about questions about lines and the size of the ring. Who cares? I just assume all of that is fine when I walk into the gym. I'm there to do my job and not measure anything.