Last second shot attempts

[crosscountry55]

I'm going to the monit.....wait. Shoot. Oh darn it.

[deecee]

1) This should ideally never happen because you covered this in pregame as well as during the most recent stoppage in play. However go with your gut, if you are wrong your partner should provide this information. If you are right he should play along. If you are very unsure make your call and let the teams know that you want to confer with your partners before making it official. But don't just make a call and then right away go to your partners for "help" it looks confusing as heck.

2) I personally discuss such plays pregame and during the game as reminders. If the clock is mine and the play happens in my primary I have first crack on foul/nofoul and good/nogood. My partner or partners are still expected to have an opinion. In 3 man the expectation is that I can look for release and the partner closest can focus on foul. In 2 man not so easy depending on location. However in cases where the play is not in my primary and I have clock I focus on release and don't worry at all for contact.

3) Whoever makes the call sticks with it or changes it based on new information.

[JRutledge]

1. Wait until we have the right call. Ask for help and then make the call. If you make a call and then change it, then we will have bigger problems.

2. We all can have an opinion, but that does not mean we will know for sure. Let the calling official make this call and get help if they need it. Or change the mechanic so that the person that has the call is the best person. Most last second shots that really are going to decide the game have a timeout or some stoppage before they make the attempt.

3. We are going to get it right when possible. But it is not that deep. Let the calling official make the call unless they have some information to change the call.

Peace

[HokiePaul]

On #1 -- If you are the calling official, and the shot was not released in time, you should wave off the shot immediately. After the ball has gone through the basket, if you haven't waved it off already, then I would interpret that to mean that you thought that the basket was good and if I'm your partner, I would wait for your signal to score the basket (or come to you if I know the shot was late). If you don't make a signal, I'm going to come to you to discuss (I am generally going to make my way towards my partner anyway on a last second shot so that we can all leave together).

If it was my call, and I really had no idea (completely screened out or the play went opposite side, etc), I imagine I would blow my whistle to acknowledge it was end of game and I know it is my call; run to my partner nearest the play to get his/her opinion (and hopefully by that time the other official has joined); clear the players and blow my whistle and then give a clear signal to the scorer; leave the court with partners.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

1) This should ideally never happen because you covered this in pregame as well as during the most recent stoppage in play.

How will pregame prevent not being able to hear the horn or prevent not being able to see the play?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

How will pregame prevent not being able to hear the horn or prevent not being able to see the play?

I pregame that if the official responsible for this doesn't have a look or call to make that we then have a secondary (or in 3man tertiary) official who would make the call. Similar to OOB plays where we look for help.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

I pregame that if the official responsible for this doesn't have a look or call to make that we then have a secondary (or in 3man tertiary) official who would make the call. Similar to OOB plays where we look for help.

Still, the question remains. How does pregaming make the horn audible?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Still, the question remains. How does pregaming make the horn audible?

What the heck are you talking about? The question was about last second shot responsibility and the primary coverage official not sure what to do in case of uncertainty.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

What the heck are you talking about? The question was about last second shot responsibility and the primary coverage official not sure what to do in case of uncertainty.

The question was about the last second shot and not being able to tell if it was released before the horn or not. In my experience, the most likely reason to no know if the shot was released in time is not being able to hear the horn over the noise. It is usually not about being able to see the shot. If you can not hear the horn to tell, no amount of pregaming will fix that.