2017-18 NFHS Interpretations, Pt.2

[Smitty]

It's a slippery slope to start giving out multiple warnings. It's like double daring them. I like the way we are doing it. One and only one warning to the head coach only.

[deecee]

Ahh the good ol coaching box issue. At the HS level I don't expect much change. I have always enforced and walked coaches back a couple times and then T'd.

My one JV game a year last year (this is why I hate working these games) had a coach at the table "coaching" his kids. I walk him back. We then have FT's and he's in the same spot. I go over and walk him back and tell him enough is enough. I turn to walk back and tell my partner that he's been warned about the box. My partner says to me, no joke, "What are you going to do he's back out.." Sure enough he is back at midcourt by the table. I T him.

At half time my partner said to me that it's a JV game and I should have let him go. I told him that's an unacceptable approach to the job and he should apply the rules. Especially after I warned the coach and told him I warned him.

Had the same partner who bounced the ball to a kid in a varsity game a couple weeks later for a FT and the kid was 2 feet outside the semi circle behind the FT line. I call a violation and he after the game said that I shouldn't have made that call. I told him he shouldn't have bounced the kid the ball in that position and it was lazy mechanics. I think he rated me poorly on both games (which is another pet peeve - officials rating officials).

[OKREF]

We've been instructed that after the first warning, next is a T. Not to have 2 warnings

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by deecee

Ahh the good ol coaching box issue. At the HS level I don't expect much change. I have always enforced and walked coaches back a couple times and then T'd.

My one JV game a year last year (this is why I hate working these games) had a coach at the table "coaching" his kids. I walk him back. We then have FT's and he's in the same spot. I go over and walk him back and tell him enough is enough. I turn to walk back and tell my partner that he's been warned about the box. My partner says to me, no joke, "What are you going to do he's back out.." Sure enough he is back at midcourt by the table. I T him.

At half time my partner said to me that it's a JV game and I should have let him go. I told him that's an unacceptable approach to the job and he should apply the rules. Especially after I warned the coach and told him I warned him.

Had the same partner who bounced the ball to a kid in a varsity game a couple weeks later for a FT and the kid was 2 feet outside the semi circle behind the FT line. I call a violation and he after the game said that I shouldn't have made that call. I told him he shouldn't have bounced the kid the ball in that position and it was lazy mechanics. I think he rated me poorly on both games (which is another pet peeve - officials rating officials).

Why a violation? Shouldn't the penalty be a little more severe?

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Why a violation? Shouldn't the penalty be a little more severe?

Isn't POI to place ball on FT line and then call violation when the shooter enters or better yet.... delay of game?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Why a violation? Shouldn't the penalty be a little more severe?

That is the correct ruling. It is simply a violation by the free throw shooter. Same violation as if the shooting team delays coming back from a time-out and the ball is placed on the free throw line. As soon as the shooter steps into the semi-circle, it's a violation.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Raymond

That is the correct ruling. It is simply a violation by the free throw shooter. Same violation as if the shooting team delays coming back from a time-out and the ball is placed on the free throw line. As soon as the shooter steps into the semi-circle, it's a violation.

10.4.5c
10:Fouls and Penalties
4:Player Technical
5: A player shall not:
Delay the game by acts such as:

c. The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is ready to administer the free throw unless the resumption-of-play procedure is in effect following a time-out or intermission.

The play described IS NOT a Resumption of Play. Thus 10.4.5c should be the ruling. It is a violation if A1 has disposal of the ball inside the Free Throw Circle, THEN steps over any line

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is ready to administer the free throw ...

Larry Bird used to do this all the time. It was part of his free throw routine, plus he liked being a wise ass.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

The play described IS NOT a Resumption of Play.

How did you deduce that?


Had the same partner who bounced the ball to a kid in a varsity game a couple weeks later for a FT and the kid was 2 feet outside the semi circle behind the FT line. I call a violation and he after the game said that I shouldn't have made that call. I told him he shouldn't have bounced the kid the ball in that position and it was lazy mechanics. I think he rated me poorly on both games (which is another pet peeve - officials rating officials).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

... pet peeve - officials rating officials.

We now supplement ratings by trained observers with peer ratings. I hate rating my varsity partner, which is now the only (and junior varsity officials rating their junior varsity partners) peer rating that we do. I've got better things to observe during a game than my partner.

We used to allow junior varsity officials to rate varsity officials, which I also hated, and was glad to see go by the wayside.

But we threw out the baby with the bathwater when we stopped having varsity officials rate junior varsity officials. In my opinion that (varsity officials rate junior varsity officials) was the only worth while peer rating.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

Had the same partner who bounced the ball to a kid in a varsity game a couple weeks later for a FT and the kid was 2 feet outside the semi circle behind the FT line. I call a violation and he after the game said that I shouldn't have made that call. I told him he shouldn't have bounced the kid the ball in that position and it was lazy mechanics. I think he rated me poorly on both games (which is another pet peeve - officials rating officials).

You're both right that the other was wrong.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You're both right that the other was wrong.

+1

why should the player be punished for the referee's mistake?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

+1

why should the player be punished for the referee's mistake?

I get the logic here, but aren't players/teams "punished" for referees mistakes in many other scenarios? Wouldn't this logic then apply to any referee mistake being "correctable"?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You're both right that the other was wrong.

I see your point.

Originally Posted by deecee

Had the same partner who bounced the ball to a kid in a varsity game a couple weeks later for a FT and the kid was 2 feet outside the semi circle behind the FT line. I call a violation and he after the game said that I shouldn't have made that call. I told him he shouldn't have bounced the kid the ball in that position and it was lazy mechanics. I think he rated me poorly on both games (which is another pet peeve - officials rating officials).

This is not the purpose of the rule, I am disappointed you called this.