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Old Tue Aug 08, 2017, 12:22pm
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Is this the norm?

Youth basketball team featuring 5-star recruit Bol Bol forfeits game over officiating

This is the result of crappy officials. Over time coaches/players think they can do whatever they want because of crap officials. When they run into competent officials that take care of business they whine, quit, and blame the refs.

In the end none of the adults want to take responsibility for their or their team's actions and just deflect to someone else. It's getting a bit out of hand and one of the main reasons I pretty much don't do off season stuff. My tolerance and patience is 0 for bad behavior, which lead to way to many issues between me and coaches and players and T's. I just said if that's what the coaches/players/organizers expect then I'm out. I haven't looked back.
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Old Tue Aug 08, 2017, 01:13pm
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6 techs. That's not poor officiating, coach. That's poor coaching. I read a different article so not sure if the one you linked has the opposing coach's comments, but that answers any questions. He basically said he's never seen a team act like that big of slappydicks before.
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Old Tue Aug 08, 2017, 01:14pm
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So sick of this.
If the coach truly felt they were getting worked by the refs, then this should be used as a teaching moment for life in general. His message was to quit. Pick up your ball and literally leave. No respect for people that do this.

However, this has been building for years. Star players and teams and coaches increasingly are willing to argue, act demonstratively, and otherwise do the job of the referee. I want to say it started in the late 80's with Pistons bad boy basketball and has filtered down to all levels. The pressure to keep star players in the game and let "players play" intensifies every year. Where does it stop?
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Old Tue Aug 08, 2017, 02:02pm
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This is unreal....so 6 Ts and they were working him over, eh? Sounds like a blowhard "coach" who doesn't focus on his players and doesn't check them when they get out of line...

Perhaps the fix for summer ball is that one technical results in an automatic ejection. Too many mouthpieces running summer teams and not enough Coaches. That's not to say there are not some really good guys Coaching summer hoops because there are...it's the LaVarr Ball's of the world that need to find something else to do...
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Old Tue Aug 08, 2017, 05:22pm
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Forfeit ...

" ...the second time in less than a month that a high-profile squad has forfeited a game because of officiating."

I hope that this doesn't carry over into the regular season.
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Old Tue Aug 08, 2017, 05:26pm
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" ...the second time in less than a month that a high-profile squad has forfeited a game because of officiating."

I hope that this doesn't carry over into the regular season.
You'd be hard pressed to see it in a high school setting, or even a college setting. There is accountability for the clowns. Coaches who pull their players off mid-game tend to get suspended by the state, and doing so because of a complaint about the officials is likely to land them in even hotter water.

The coaches with this kind of clout don't do it during a game. They call the assigner afterwards and have a discussion about the officials.
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You'd be hard pressed to see it in a high school setting, or even a college setting. There is accountability for the clowns. Coaches who pull their players off mid-game tend to get suspended by the state, and doing so because of a complaint about the officials is likely to land them in even hotter water.



The coaches with this kind of clout don't do it during a game. They call the assigner afterwards and have a discussion about the officials.


I'm willing to bet this is one of those pay-to-play camps (edit: AAU duh) where the camp leaders don't back the officials and only have them there to give it the appearance of a bit more legitimacy. In my experience, those camps don't enforce foul limits, technical limits, penalties, etc... Not only that, without leadership at the coaching level, the kids walk around and play like their shit don't stink.

I am not sure why people officiate these. Is the money really worth it? I went to a try out camp at one of these weekends a couple years ago. It was a joke and I would never do it again. If the camp director doesn't want to enforce the rules, why would you do that game?


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It was not an AAU tournament. It was MAYB. Big difference.
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It was not an AAU tournament. It was MAYB. Big difference.


I'm curious now. What's the difference?
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Old Wed Aug 09, 2017, 09:40am
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I am not sure why people officiate these. Is the money really worth it? I went to a try out camp at one of these weekends a couple years ago. It was a joke and I would never do it again. If the camp director doesn't want to enforce the rules, why would you do that game?
As has been said many times on this forum, there are always people in this business who have no problem selling their souls to the devil to make $15-$25 a game.
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I worked a few games during this tourney on Friday. One of my games involved the other team in this story (the one who was winning when Bol's team walked off). They're a quality team with a couple of future D1 prospects. They're also well coached by a local high school coach with multiple state championships under his belt.

This wasn't a pay-to-play camp type situation as has been speculated. The two officials working the championship game are well respected college officials from the area. I've worked many games with both and neither are the type to shy away from addressing inappropriate behavior. I also visited with the director of officiating for the tournament and he basically said they handled the situation appropriately.

Personally, if you can't figure out that running your mouth is going to get you into trouble after the first one or two T's, then it seems like the problem speaks for itself.

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Old Wed Aug 09, 2017, 11:21am
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I'm curious now. What's the difference?
Not much. MAYB generally doesn't attract the quality of teams that AAU does, but it's the same concept. More of a regional (midwest) version of AAU.
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I worked a few games during this tourney on Friday. One of my games involved the other team in this story (the one who was winning when Bol's team walked off). They're a quality team with a couple of future D1 prospects. They're also well coached by a local high school coach with multiple state championships under his belt.

This wasn't a pay-to-play camp type situation as has been speculated. The two officials working the championship game are well respected college officials from the area. I've worked many games with both and neither are the type to shy away from addressing inappropriate behavior. I also visited with the director of officiating for the tournament and he basically said they handled the situation appropriately.

Personally, if you can't figure out that running your mouth is going to get you into trouble after the first one or two T's, then it seems like the problem speaks for itself.
Thanks for the personal insight into this story. How were your games?
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Old Wed Aug 09, 2017, 12:05pm
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Thanks for the personal insight into this story. How were your games?
Uneventful, just the way I like them.
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Old Wed Aug 09, 2017, 02:56pm
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Thanks for the reply and insight.

Does the camp enforce discipline rules (i.e. 5 fouls/2 T's = DQ)? IF not, I think this is one of the main problems with these types of camps - no consequences for their actions.

You said it wasn't a pay-to-play. Am I safe in assuming it was invite-only then?

Appreciate the response and apologize for the assumptions.
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