Big Baller Forfeits

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Are you referring to how officials should handle him? Because in summer ball (which I hardly work any of) especially I guarantee you that I am NOT ignoring him, and if the tournament director wants to chew my ass for it, they can find another official.

Maybe this was a camp for the officials, I don't know. But I wouldn't tolerate that BS in a high school game, there's not a chance I'm tolerating it for the pennies we make in AAU.

I mean exactly what I said. People need to ignore him. Don't put him on TV. Don't post about him on the Internet.

Originally Posted by SC Official

Of course, plenty of camp directors are spineless and will tell their campers to pander to the coaches.

Really? I cannot imagine many camp directors giving this instruction. Never seen it personally in the ~20 camps I've been to in the last 5 years.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Don't post about him on the Internet.

Like you are doing right now?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Really? I cannot imagine many camp directors giving this instruction. Never seen it personally in the ~20 camps I've been to in the last 5 years

Yes really. It may not be the norm, but it happens. Just last summer I went to a required camp for the SCHSL. One of the first things the head clinician said was "they don't want us to eject coaches." He told us just to keep calling technical fouls until the coach shuts up. Well, in my second game we have a PITA coach who gets a T. I go over and remind him that he has to sit by rule (we were never told there was no seatbelt rule for the camp). He keeps refusing, so I whack him, and then out of nowhere one of the camp directors chews my ass and tells me to rescind it. The head clinician doesn't back me up; in front of the entire gym he spinelessly tells me to "do what he said." We get through the game and I tell the clinician to give me my money back if he doesn't want me to be there. He somewhat apologized and took responsibility, but I will never go back to his camp and tell officials that story whenever they ask me about my review of the camp.

I'm paying money to be there. I'm not going to subject myself to that BS. Again, certainly not the norm for camps, but it absolutely happens.

Originally Posted by SC Official

Yes really. It may not be the norm, but it happens. Just last summer I went to a required camp for the SCHSL. One of the first things the head clinician said was "they don't want us to eject coaches." He told us just to keep calling technical fouls until the coach shuts up. Well, in my second game we have a PITA coach who gets a T. I go over and remind him that he has to sit by rule (we were never told there was no seatbelt rule for the camp). He keeps refusing, so I whack him, and then out of nowhere one of the camp directors chews my ass and tells me to rescind it. The head clinician doesn't back me up; in front of the entire gym he spinelessly tells me to "do what he said." We get through the game and I tell the clinician to give me my money back if he doesn't want me to be there. He somewhat apologized and took responsibility, but I will never go back to his camp and tell officials that story whenever they ask me about my review of the camp.

I'm paying money to be there. I'm not going to subject myself to that BS. Again, certainly not the norm for camps, but it absolutely happens.

Damn. I assume the SCHSL is for high school right? I should say I cannot imagine a college camp director or clinicians doing something like that. Sorry you had to deal with that!

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Damn. I assume the SCHSL is for high school right? I should say I cannot imagine a college camp director or clinicians doing something like that. Sorry you had to deal with that!

Yes, we have to go to camp once every three years or sacrifice five rating points in SC. And yes, you're probably right about the college/HS distinction.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Yes really. It may not be the norm, but it happens. Just last summer I went to a required camp for the SCHSL. One of the first things the head clinician said was "they don't want us to eject coaches." He told us just to keep calling technical fouls until the coach shuts up. Well, in my second game we have a PITA coach who gets a T. I go over and remind him that he has to sit by rule (we were never told there was no seatbelt rule for the camp). He keeps refusing, so I whack him, and then out of nowhere one of the camp directors chews my ass and tells me to rescind it. The head clinician doesn't back me up; in front of the entire gym he spinelessly tells me to "do what he said." We get through the game and I tell the clinician to give me my money back if he doesn't want me to be there. He somewhat apologized and took responsibility, but I will never go back to his camp and tell officials that story whenever they ask me about my review of the camp.

I'm paying money to be there. I'm not going to subject myself to that BS. Again, certainly not the norm for camps, but it absolutely happens.

WOW

Can't believe you are in the state pen for killing someone after that experience.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BigT

WOW

Can't believe you are in the state pen for killing someone after that experience.

A bad experience and one I share with other people, but not something that's ever kept me up at night. When we cross paths I'm cordial.

Ironically, the rumor was that the camp was a train wreck this summer.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Like you are doing right now?

Exactly. I don't read what this idiot says, I don't watch what he does. Encouraging others to do the same.

If you can't see the difference, perhaps you're no smarter than he is.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Exactly. I don't read what this idiot says, I don't watch what he does. Encouraging others to do the same.

If you can't see the difference, perhaps you're no smarter than he is.

Perhaps I'm not

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Perhaps I'm not

While he said all of this while commenting on something he does not pay attention to. I would take it for what it is worth. Most basketball or sports fans know when certain things are going on outside the game on some level. It does not mean you are obsessed with the topic.

Peace

New situation today: Female referee removed after LaVar Ball threatens to pull his AAU team off court

Apparently the Court Club Camp is running in Vegas and one of the campers whacked LaVar and he forced her to get removed. I'm surprised Ed didn't pull all his refs off the floor for the tournament bending to that shit. And then he got whacked by the replacement guy! That's being a good partner right there.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

New situation today: Female referee removed after LaVar Ball threatens to pull his AAU team off court

Apparently the Court Club Camp is running in Vegas and one of the campers whacked LaVar and he forced her to get removed. I'm surprised Ed didn't pull all his refs off the floor for the tournament bending to that shit. And then he got whacked by the replacement guy! That's being a good partner right there.

This is the story that I saw. The guy stole my Cry Baby line from a few days ago with his #BigCryBaby. I still like BigBawler!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-b...160917511.html

For the record, I have officiated the LV BigTime and the Adidas Super64 in the past. These tourneys change names over the years, but it's still the same deal. These are AAU events in Vegas with the top HS players held during one of the sanctioned NCAA evaluation period for all the major college coaches.
The level of play is darn good. Some of the coaches, players, and fans can be a challenge to handle. Personally, I had a few Ts, but no ejections over the years. Although, I witnessed a few warranted ejections.
I've done these games in both a camp situation as well as non-camp for pay.
I do think that it is difficult for the female officials in the camp situations to be put into these games because the vast majority of them work girls HS or women's JC/D2 and don't see the athleticism or level of physical contact that these boys exhibit. I've seen several coaches and players become frustrated with whistles that are tighter than what they are accustomed to having, but never had anyone be a complete @ss about it.
Btw the reverse is true for me. When I'm asked to work a GV/BV HS double-header, I have to make a conscious effort to evaluate contact at an appropriate level for the girls contest. I have made the mistake of letting GV games be too physical and had some unhappy coaches/players.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

New situation today: Female referee removed after LaVar Ball threatens to pull his AAU team off court

Apparently the Court Club Camp is running in Vegas and one of the campers whacked LaVar and he forced her to get removed. I'm surprised Ed didn't pull all his refs off the floor for the tournament bending to that shit. And then he got whacked by the replacement guy! That's being a good partner right there.

Being good partners would've meant walking off with that female official.