NBA Finals

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Drop on by, got a couple of guys you used to work with who can get you up to speed with NBA philosophies

Y'all watch the games together and get the play-by-play?

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Y'all watch the games together and get the play-by-play?

Almost never watch games for mindless entertainment. Plus, live TV doesn't have on demand instant replay.

They'll follow up on the NBA ref resource video of the game which includes a choice of many varied camera angles if there are plays worth reviewing. These camera angles aren't part of the TV broadcast feed.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Almost never watch games for mindless entertainment. Plus, live TV doesn't have on demand instant replay.

They'll follow up on the NBA ref resource video of the game which includes a choice of many varied camera angles if there are plays worth reviewing. These camera angles aren't part of the TV broadcast feed.

That is the problem right there. The NBA game is vastly different from what we see at the NCAA and NFHS levels. The rules are also different. In fact, they differ so much that attempting to apply what the NBA does would be erroneous at the levels which I work.
The philosophy is not in accordance. See my previous comments on this forum to Ben Taylor.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That is the problem right there. The NBA game is vastly different from what we see at the NCAA and NFHS levels. The rules are also different. In fact, they differ so much that attempting to apply what the NBA does would be erroneous at the levels which I work.
The philosophy is not in accordance. See my previous comments on this forum to Ben Taylor.

The NBA is more in line with other levels than the other major sports. That is for damn sure.

I never get it when people keep trying to act like the NBA is so different in rules or philosophy when it is simply not true.

Peace

[Mbilica]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The NBA is more in line with other levels than the other major sports. That is for damn sure.

I never get it when people keep trying to act like the NBA is so different in rules or philosophy when it is simply not true.

Peace

Well, except for traveling, continuation, legality of zone defense, the shot clock, bonus free throws, jump balls after the initial jump, and the numbers players can wear, you're right. It is pretty much the same game.

A foul is a foul. Legal Guarding Position is the same at all levels, the regular flow of play is essentially the same as far as how to officiate it. I think watching the NBA officials is highly useful for gaining insights on officiating, generally. They are the very best.

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[Nevadaref]

NFHS v NBA differences
(A quick list after only a couple minutes of thought)
Backcourt count- length and reset
Shot clock
Closely-guarded
BI & GT -- backboard
Block/charge--upward movement & RA
Screens
Zone defense
FT lane width
Court length
3pt line distance & shape
How Ts count or don't as individual fouls
5 fouls v 6 fouls
32 minutes v 48 minutes
Trash talking v sporting behavior emphasis
Showboating and hanging on the ring
Jumpball restarts
Backcourt access on throw-ins
Traveling rules

[Jay R]

Zone defense is no longer an NBA rule. The present rule is defensive 3 seconds although you could argue that it tries to do the same thing the zone defense rule did.

[Hugh Refner]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

NFHS v NBA differences
(A quick list after only a couple minutes of thought)
Backcourt count- length and reset
Shot clock
Closely-guarded
BI & GT -- backboard
Block/charge--upward movement & RA
Screens
Zone defense
FT lane width
Court length
3pt line distance & shape
How Ts count or don't as individual fouls
5 fouls v 6 fouls
32 minutes v 48 minutes
Trash talking v sporting behavior emphasis
Showboating and hanging on the ring
Jumpball restarts
Backcourt access on throw-ins
Traveling rules

Also: NBA pays it's players a little more than NFHS - although not much more than NCAA.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

NFHS v NBA differences
(A quick list after only a couple minutes of thought)
Backcourt count- length and reset
Shot clock
Closely-guarded
BI & GT -- backboard
Block/charge--upward movement & RA
Screens
Zone defense
FT lane width
Court length
3pt line distance & shape
How Ts count or don't as individual fouls
5 fouls v 6 fouls
32 minutes v 48 minutes
Trash talking v sporting behavior emphasis
Showboating and hanging on the ring
Jumpball restarts
Backcourt access on throw-ins
Traveling rules

What do those rules have to do with how the game basically looks? If you call a foul for example, the result is basically the same. A team called for a violation loses the ball. If a team is called for a you either get shots or you get the ball out of bounds. It is not like football where a foul might not even be enforced from the same spot or you get an automatic first down during certain actions in the NFL and never come close to that in a high school game. We as football can watch an NFL game and not have a single application of a foul the same, but not one goes around and says, "You cannot watch the NFL and understand what is going on." But for some reason we act like the NBA is a different animal. Well I can tell you the NFL has about 300 rules differences to the NF or high school rules. College football has about 200 or so more differences from the NFL and no one says you cannot learn how to call a holding foul from the NFL. As a matter of fact many of the philosophies on what is a foul often comes from the NFL as they have video and training that has trickled down.

If the claim is that the philosophies are different, of course they are on some level. You have adults compared to children playing. That is the case at any professional level compared to high school aged kids. The way a manager in baseball comes out to argue a safe/out call is totally different than what is allowed from the MLB to NF or even youth baseball. You cannot restrict that manager to the dugout in the pros. I am sure and know that language is allowed with adults that would never be allowed with kids. Again everyone is getting paid well so I would expect there to be some differences. The bottom line is when I see a foul in the NBA if I am a student of the game I know why that fouls or violation is called and not totally confused. If I am confused that confused, I never watched a basketball game. Many of us became officials because of what we liked or witnessed at the pro or college level. We often learn that those rules are vastly different in certain areas, but the general job we are doing is exactly the same.

Peace

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

NFHS v NBA differences
(A quick list after only a couple minutes of thought)
Backcourt count- length and reset
Shot clock
Closely-guarded
BI & GT -- backboard
Block/charge--upward movement & RA
Screens
Zone defense
FT lane width
Court length
3pt line distance & shape
How Ts count or don't as individual fouls
5 fouls v 6 fouls
32 minutes v 48 minutes
Trash talking v sporting behavior emphasis
Showboating and hanging on the ring
Jumpball restarts
Backcourt access on throw-ins
Traveling rules

And the biggest one ,,,,,

$90 game fee vs $X00,000 salary.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mbilica

Well, except for traveling, continuation, legality of zone defense, the shot clock, bonus free throws, jump balls after the initial jump, and the numbers players can wear, you're right. It is pretty much the same game.

A foul is a foul. Legal Guarding Position is the same at all levels, the regular flow of play is essentially the same as far as how to officiate it. I think watching the NBA officials is highly useful for gaining insights on officiating, generally. They are the very best.

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Continuation? What's different?

[Mbilica]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Continuation? What's different?

In NFHS, if a foul occurs prior to the act of shooting, any following movement that sends the ball through the basket is not a goal, as it occurred during a dead ball. Period, full stop.

In the NBA, players are given a "lag" time to continue their initial motion, so as to get a three point play

From Bill James's 2015 article "Discontinue Continuation"

.. if a player is fouled in the act of shooting and makes the shot, the shot counts as long as the shooter completes the shot using a continuous motion begun before the foul.***

No such rule exists in NFHS.

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