NBA Finals

[Jay R]

Jeff Van Gundy said after an offensive foul call on LeBron that "a defender doesn't have to be set, that's a myth. As long as he's in a legal guarding position" I was impressed.

[Mbilica]

Originally Posted by Jay R

Jeff Van Gundy said after an offensive foul call on LeBron that "a defender doesn't have to be set, that's a myth. As long as he's in a legal guarding position" I was impressed.

He is right, at least with regards to NFHS rules. Establish LGP and the offensive player has the obligation to go around you. I don't have the rulebook language handy and I don't know how different the NBA is on this from the level I work, but if there is contact and the offensive player initiates it before getting at least his head and shoulders beyond the defender, he is guilty of an offensive foul.

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[Jay R]

I was not being facetious. I was impressed by Van Grundy because so many others will say that it's not a charge because the defender was moving.

[Nevadaref]

I'm surprised that no one has posted that Curry's dribbling around LeBron was in fact an illegal dribble violation as at one point he touched the ball with both hands.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm surprised that no one has posted that Curry's dribbling around LeBron was in fact an illegal dribble violation as at one point he touched the ball with both hands.

They don't have an illegal dribble violation rule in the NBA.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm surprised that no one has posted that Curry's dribbling around LeBron was in fact an illegal dribble violation as at one point he touched the ball with both hands.

I don't usually watch the NBA, but I watched the game for a while as I was on travel in a hotel. I just have no idea what a foul is and what constitutes an "illegal/moving screen/foul." It's just foreign to me.

I certainly admire their skill and athleticism, but, as an HS official, I find it difficult to interpret and compare to what I do.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I don't usually watch the NBA, but I watched the game for a while as I was on travel in a hotel. I just have no idea what a foul is and what constitutes an "illegal/moving screen/foul." It's just foreign to me.

I certainly admire their skill and athleticism, but, as an HS official, I find it difficult to interpret and compare to what I do.

I think the same thing. It's like they make up what's acceptable or not on the spot.

[BigT]

A NBA official told me last year its an entertainment league. So of course the rules are going to side on entertainment. Extra steps, jewelry, protecting stars, extra stuff on moving screens, playing while out of bounds or going out constantly, out of bounds plays, etc etc.

I will never look to improve my game or study the rules or comments here about the difference between the NBA and everything else. I do value the entertainment value of what I read about the NBA here but it stops there.

[Rich]

I watch very little of the NBA -- I'm bored by the game, to be honest.

One thing the NBA officials are VERY good at, the best in the world, is evaluating contact on shooters and players driving to the hoop. I watched some of Game 1 and they are SO good at officiating verticality and advantage/disadvantage. They always seem to be in a great spot to see contact on jump shooters.

Anyone who says they can't learn something from watching these guys is fooling himself.

Originally Posted by BigT

A NBA official told me last year its an entertainment league. So of course the rules are going to side on entertainment. Extra steps, jewelry, protecting stars, extra stuff on moving screens, playing while out of bounds or going out constantly, out of bounds plays, etc etc.

I will never look to improve my game or study the rules or comments here about the difference between the NBA and everything else. I do value the entertainment value of what I read about the NBA here but it stops there.

"Jewelry" consists of wristbands, that's it. You don't see guys wearing chains or earrings, or watches. Which is why I don't care about wristbands in my summer games anymore. The injury risk is negligible.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Rich

I watch very little of the NBA -- I'm bored by the game, to be honest.

One thing the NBA officials are VERY good at, the best in the world, is evaluating contact on shooters and players driving to the hoop. I watched some of Game 1 and they are SO good at officiating verticality and advantage/disadvantage. They always seem to be in a great spot to see contact on jump shooters.

Anyone who says they can't learn something from watching these guys is fooling himself.

As the dad of 2 up-and-coming D-League officials, I can say the dinner table discussions we used to have when we were all doing NFHS games was entertaining and I could contribute and keep up. Now, with NBA concepts as emphasis, its on a totally different plane and the level of complexity leaves me discombobulated.
NBA is truly a different mindset for officials.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by BigT

A NBA official told me last year its an entertainment league. So of course the rules are going to side on entertainment. Extra steps, jewelry, protecting stars, extra stuff on moving screens, playing while out of bounds or going out constantly, out of bounds plays, etc etc.

I will never look to improve my game or study the rules or comments here about the difference between the NBA and everything else. I do value the entertainment value of what I read about the NBA here but it stops there.

If you were close enough to talk to an NBA official, you must have bought a ticket!!!

If I can properly break down your comment it would be in the following fashion:

"A NBA official told me last year its an entertainment league."

This may be valid quote but the comments following are strictly your own creation and were never uttered by an NBA official...

"So of course the rules are going to side on entertainment. Extra steps, jewelry, protecting stars, extra stuff on moving screens, playing while out of bounds or going out constantly, out of bounds plays, etc etc."

As to the 2nd paragraph of your comment I would submit it says more about your initiative and motivation to improve, or lack thereof.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I don't usually watch the NBA, but I watched the game for a while as I was on travel in a hotel. I just have no idea what a foul is and what constitutes an "illegal/moving screen/foul." It's just foreign to me.

I certainly admire their skill and athleticism, but, as an HS official, I find it difficult to interpret and compare to what I do.

Drop on by, got a couple of guys you used to work with who can get you up to speed with NBA philosophies

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Drop on by, got a couple of guys you used to work with who can get you up to speed with NBA philosophies

Y'all watch the games together and get the play-by-play?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I watch very little of the NBA -- I'm bored by the game, to be honest.

One thing the NBA officials are VERY good at, the best in the world, is evaluating contact on shooters and players driving to the hoop. I watched some of Game 1 and they are SO good at officiating verticality and advantage/disadvantage. They always seem to be in a great spot to see contact on jump shooters.

Anyone who says they can't learn something from watching these guys is fooling himself.

When you do not understand the game you are officiating, this is a problem for those that continue to make that argument. Not enough of use are students of the game we claim we like so much.

Peace