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[IncorrectCall]

Originally Posted by bucky

That is what I was thinking about your line of questioning, that you are trying to make some distinction. Not sure where you are going with it.

Anyway...

Yes, there is a distinction imo. I grab is a conscious closing of the hand around something, like a wrist, jersey, etc. It can't be accidental. Are all holds grabs? No. Are all grabs hold? Yes. Some holds are too difficult to consider intentional. If someone grabs a jersey though, then it seems obvious, not only what they were doing, but also there intent. Looks as if it comes down to semantics again. Shocker.

Just my opinion.

An example -

Player A1 is pinning down Player B1's arm in an attempt to rebound. You'd call it a hold, and it's a conscious decision to pin him down. You would call that intentional?

[MD Longhorn]

Bucky -
Seems to me that you're using the Webster definition of intentional, and not the rulebook definition.

Yes, if you grab something, you intended to do so. Doesn't make it an "intentional foul" as described in the rulebook.