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Raymond Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:39am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004322)
I'm sure he does, but I don't and I doubt anyone should. Can't watch two things at once. Sometimes we miss things. And notice they never went to the review -- he probably didn't even know he missed it until he got in the locker room.

But I can ask him if I see him again this summer. I'll keep you posted.

That play is not eligible for monitor review.

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AremRed Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:44am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 1004323)
That play is not eligible for monitor review.

Correct. I still believe Eades didn't know he missed it until the game was over.

I found a picture of the moment Meeks touched OOB....I know I would be looking at that ball which is extremely close to being tied up.

https://i.imgur.com/XyVByyJ.jpg

Camron Rust Tue Apr 04, 2017 02:17am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 1004317)
If I question the administration of a play will I be told I'm a high school official or that's why I'm not working a national final?

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Only if you're correct.

JRutledge Tue Apr 04, 2017 02:29am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1004289)
About 18:30 left in the first half.
UNC saves the ball twice on the defensive end line.

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JRutledge Tue Apr 04, 2017 02:31am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1004288)
3:52 of the first half.
Foul called against Collins of Gonzaga by Verne Harris from the Lead position.

I know we all look alike to many, but Verne Harris is the lighter skinned brotha. :D IJS

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JRutledge Tue Apr 04, 2017 02:32am

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 1004290)
2:03 first half. UNC's Berry fouled attempting a 3.

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Nevadaref Tue Apr 04, 2017 03:17am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1004310)
About 50 seconds left.
Call on the floor was a held ball.
Was Meeks OOB?

Officiating at this level has become so difficult. The HDTV cameras have all the angles and the slo-mo to catch everything which we humans miss in live action from our vantage point. I used to think that I wanted to work the ESPN games and the D1 tournament someday. Not anymore. I don't want that kind of scrutiny and the BS that Higgins had to deal with from the Kentucky fans. It just isn't worth it. Besides there's more money in coaching.

As for my above quoted post...yep, Meeks was out of bounds. Photos of it have now been published. Unfortunate, and not reviewable.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/of...064537595.html

ReffingAce Tue Apr 04, 2017 08:06am

So as officials, the key to all the video being shown with the scrutiny of how "bad" they called the game isn't always going to be judgement calls where, was it a foul or not a foul? Was he in or out? Yes, the video will show it and it will be "obvious" at that point. But in real time, we all know this is a difficult job to process all that is happening i.e. the hand touching the out-of-bounds on the tie up. Watch that play in real time and you'll see how quickly his hand hit and was pulled back.

The key with the video is the positioning and many great officials understand this. To get calls correct, you need to be in the proper positioning. Eades may not have seen the hand because he was too close to the play as it was right at his feet. Backing out with a wider angle may have allowed him to see the hand touch.

The first foul of the game from the Slot, did he even have an angle to see the play? Was he reaching out of his primary. What was the vantage point from T? Where was each official looking on that play at that time?

We know every call and non call will be looked at because of the tape these days, but it's how you use the tape to your advantage to get better and not worry about how it will be microscoped and used against you.

Raymond Tue Apr 04, 2017 08:15am

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Originally Posted by ReffingAce (Post 1004336)
So as officials, the key to all the video being shown with the scrutiny of how "bad" they called the game isn't always going to be judgement calls where, was it a foul or not a foul? Was he in or out? Yes, the video will show it and it will be "obvious" at that point. But in real time, we all know this is a difficult job to process all that is happening i.e. the hand touching the out-of-bounds on the tie up. Watch that play in real time and you'll see how quickly his hand hit and was pulled back.

The key with the video is the positioning and many great officials understand this. To get calls correct, you need to be in the proper positioning. Eades may not have seen the hand because he was too close to the play as it was right at his feet. Backing out with a wider angle may have allowed him to see the hand touch.

The first foul of the game from the Slot, did he even have an angle to see the play? Was he reaching out of his primary. What was the vantage point from T? Where was each official looking on that play at that time?

We know every call and non call will be looked at because of the tape these days, but it's how you use the tape to your advantage to get better and not worry about how it will be microscoped and used against you.

Conversations about positioning die on the vine pretty quickly....LOL

OKREF Tue Apr 04, 2017 08:48am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004318)
So? He was still watching to see if it got held or not.

And he still missed it.

Raymond Tue Apr 04, 2017 08:56am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004322)
I'm sure he does, but I don't and I doubt anyone should. Can't watch two things at once. Sometimes we miss things. And notice they never went to the review -- he probably didn't even know he missed it until he got in the locker room.

But I can ask him if I see him again this summer. I'll keep you posted.

99% of the country didn't know he missed it until still photos were posted on social media. How many folks noticed it when the play happened?

Raymond Tue Apr 04, 2017 09:00am

If you read any reports of someone's head exploding in the Hampton Roads section of VA, it's because I just read another post on social media asking why the officials didn't go to the monitor when Meeks' hand touched OOB.

AremRed Tue Apr 04, 2017 09:00am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 1004345)
99% of the country didn't know he missed it until still photos were posted on social media. How many folks noticed it when the play happened?

OKREF, apparently. :D

Adam Tue Apr 04, 2017 09:00am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004347)
OKREF, apparently. :D

And 20 Gonzaga fans.

SD Referee Tue Apr 04, 2017 09:49am

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 1004302)
That is not a FF1, or even a foul on Berry

That's what I said. Berry didn't foul and then the contact by Karnowski was not flagrant.


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