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Raymond Sat Mar 25, 2017 08:26am

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Originally Posted by Badgerfan2 (Post 1003371)
15 min left 2nd half phantom foul on happ

Wow, what a great description of the play.

And is there going to be a video request for every block/charge call in the tournament?

Raymond Sat Mar 25, 2017 08:30am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1003381)
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Peace

I don't call travels when I can't see the ball.

Raymond Sat Mar 25, 2017 08:33am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1003377)
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Peace

Contact from behind on a ball-handler that causes him to go to the floor used to be one of John Adams' absolutes. The Center should be primary on this, but the Trail can get this also.

Raymond Sat Mar 25, 2017 08:38am

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Originally Posted by Fuelrider (Post 1003380)
Beginning of OT off the tip, Foul called no team or player control Florida goes to free throw line arrow is switched? What just happened?

The arrow was not pointed in anybody's Direction when overtime started so it could not have been switched. As already explained it was set at the proper time.

Raymond Sat Mar 25, 2017 08:49am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1003381)
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Peace

I can see giving the defender the foul based on a lack of verticality.

Raymond Sat Mar 25, 2017 08:58am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1003399)
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Peace

Foul occurs before Hayes completes his spin move, so I don't know how anybody could say this is a travel.

ODog Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:06am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 1003407)
Foul occurs before Hayes completes his spin move, so I don't know how anybody could say this is a travel.

Because they absolutely would have counted the hoop had it gone in.

Camron Rust Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 1003402)
Wow, what a great description of the play.

And is there going to be a video request for every block/charge call in the tournament?

I doubt it since Wisconsin is now out. His only posts, ever, were about players where Wisconsin didn't get the call.

SAJ Sat Mar 25, 2017 01:09pm

There was a travel called in the Baylor/SC game. I don't have the specific time, but it was in the first half (probably somewhere around the 8-10 minute mark, but I could be wrong). Baylor player near the free throw line pivots a couple times then pivots towards the basket and shoots. It didn't appear that he ever moved his pivot foot other than to shoot. Both the T&C whistled with T taking the travel call. There wasn't a replay, so I didn't get second look.

JRutledge Sat Mar 25, 2017 01:29pm

Random Plays from Wisconsin vs. Florida Game

Play #1: Goaltending play

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4PkFEGXMZUk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #2: Pass off screen

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/H1hpmrbjy0U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #3: Pass and crash play

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ck1CkrTM69g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #4: Legal spin move?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/AFCHZEmUXOc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

RefRich Sat Mar 25, 2017 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1003421)
Random Plays from Wisconsin vs. Florida Game

Play #1: Goaltending play

Play #2: Pass off screen

Play #3: Pass and crash play

Play #4: Legal spin move?

Peace

Play#1 - good call, on the way down
Play#2 - There was no screen, Florida play just ran into the Wisconsin player. If the player is running around a player do you call a foul on the guy holding the ball?
Play#3 - The lead wanted this to be offensive in a bad way but did a great job of holding off his call because the center was wrong.
Play#4 - Nice spin move, looked good

JRutledge Sat Mar 25, 2017 01:58pm

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Originally Posted by RefRich (Post 1003424)
Play#2 - There was no screen, Florida play just ran into the Wisconsin player. If the player is running around a player do you call a foul on the guy holding the ball?

It is a screen by rule and interpretation. He passes off the ball so he is subjected to some screening rules. But he does not turn into the screened player and gives enough time and distance. It is not unusual in these pass off situations to have the ball handler soon to not be ball handler to kind of cause contact with the defender coming at them. This IMO was totally legal and he was turning away from contact. If turning toward contact, then we might have had a different result.

Peace

RefRich Sat Mar 25, 2017 02:03pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1003426)
It is a screen by rule and interpretation. He passes off the ball so he is subjected to some screening rules. But he does not turn into the screened player and gives enough time and distance. It is not unusual in these pass off situations to have the ball handler soon to not be ball handler to kind of cause contact with the defender coming at them. This IMO was totally legal and he was turning away from contact. If turning toward contact, then we might have had a different result.

Peace

He was going to pass off the ball but was run into by the Florida player first. Therefore there is no attempted screen. You can't penalize him because of what he was going to do but by what the defender did prior to any handoff.

I don't disagree with your interpretation of the rule.

JRutledge Sat Mar 25, 2017 02:07pm

More from Wisconsin vs. Florida

Play #5:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/NNgXHOdaR8I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #6:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/px8z645jX6Q" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

JRutledge Sat Mar 25, 2017 02:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RefRich (Post 1003427)
He was going to pass off the ball but was run into by the Florida player first. Therefore there is no attempted screen. You can't penalize him because of what he was going to do but by what the defender did prior to any handoff.

I don't disagree with your interpretation of the rule.

I did not say anything about penalizing him if he was legal as he was in this play. But handoff screens are common and usually result in nothing, this was just an example. But it is a screen a the same rules apply. If he had kept coming forward and knocked down the defender, then I would have advocated for a foul. And that is why I think they showed a replay of the situation to show that the Wisconsin player was legal.

Peace


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