NCAA Tourn Friday March 24 video requests
 

UNC/Butler
6:49 of the first half
C calls a travel from behind the Butler player. Looks as if the ball was knocked loose by a bump from a defender.

Baylor/S. Carolina on TBS
6:49 left in the first half (lol same time as the other game)
Is the contact from behind during the S. Carolina transition worthy of a foul? If so, which official should be responsible?

Don't need video of these plays, just commenting.

South Carolina/Baylor

6:09 first half -- John Gaffney signals two shots on a 1 and 1, stands on the court next to defender. Realizes it is supposed to be 1 and 1, backs out of lane. No one goes to rebound on the release but thankfully the shot is made.

I saw another play Mike Roberts had earlier where it looked like he was about to call an illegal screen on South Carolina but then pointed at the Baylor player.

Not the smoothest first half for this crew.

2:50 first half Baylor/SC. Transition block call.

What did the defender do wrong?

I got all of these, I will post later in the night.

Peace

10:41 second half. Another block call where it didn't look like the defender did much wrong.

Baylor/SC 10:41 2nd half. Block/Charge. Looks like a PC.

1:26 left in 2nd half of Bulter/UNC
Butler player drives from the wing and scores.
Did he dribble after going airborne or keep a foot down?

UCLA/Kentucky
8:46 first half
Alley-oop attempt by UCLA, undercut by UK player. First they line the players up for 2 shots, then go OOB throw-in.

Should this be shooting or not?

Player who was fouled never had the ball. Officials correctly came to their senses. You can't assume an alley-oop.

UCLA/UK, first half, 8:33. UCLA player commits a blatant travel en route to a monster dunk.

My question isn't whether it's a travel, since we would all agree it is. My question is: Would this be considered a "gotcha" travel at this level? I was kind of surprised at the no-call, since this was not a quick one either. More of a slow-developing, easy-to-identify travel.

Just trying to calibrate my own meter ;)

Yup.

He didn't possess the ball but he did get his fingertips to it. Could we say he is trying to tap the ball?

No, I think it was a travel and should be called. But it might be hard to see as you are looking at the contact. Seen too many videos that travels should be called.

Peace

UCLA/UK, 17:50 left. Block/charge no-call.

Nigel Hayes called for charge, about 4 minutes left in first half, looked like a botched call.

16 minutes left, second half WI vs Florida, block/charge

15 min left 2nd half phantom foul on happ

Need more specifics.
 

Specific time please. That these are too general.

Peace

This is a good one. Wisconsin/Florida. Just before 15:06 2nd Half.

FL try in flight. W22 commits pushing foul during rebounding action under the basket, so ball remains live. Then F12 appears to commit offensive BI by getting his hand entangled in the net while the ball was on/within the basket. The try ends up being successful.

Crew gets together to discuss. It could very well be that they just weren't sure who's hand ended up in the net because W22's was in the neighborhood as well. But replay clearly showed that it was F12's hand. In any case, they counted the basket, which I believe was incorrect.

Should have been wipe the basket, but then give the ball to FL for a throw-in as a result of the common foul.

After the lengthy discussion, the crew forgot who the initial foul was on, so they went to the monitor to confirm W22. In the subsequent explanation to the TV crew (which I like that they do, by the way), it was even asked about the pulling on the net, and the official correctly stated, "no, that part of the call is not reviewable."

So this time Rule 11 was applied correctly, but the inability to apply common sense with replay review here gave FL two free points.

Yeah, I definitely think some major tweaking to Rule 11 is in order after this year.

In b4 Badgerfan2 comments about the PC called on Happ at 9:05 2nd half.

No, the RA does not matter on this play as Greg Gard was arguing. It was a primary defender who established position outside the arc and moved backwards to maintain his legal position.

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This is cool. WI/FL going deep into the rule and case books tonight!

Jump ball to start overtime, common foul on WI before the AP arrow is established, bonus rule in effect. Set the arrow to WI when the ball is at the disposal of the FL free thrower. Officials spend way too much time explaining things to the coaches and table. Eventually the PA announcer explains the rule in crystal clear language, and still the announcers are confused.

No, JRut doesn't need to clip this. I just mention it because it's cool how sometimes stuff you read about but think will never happen in your game....happens.

Don't be that official that likes to boast at camps, "I'm not a rules guy, but...." Those guys aren't advancing in the tournament this year.*

*Edit: That's a general statement not aimed at the crew in this game, who actually I think have done an awesome job tonight (though I wish as a WI fan they hadn't missed that FL BI earlier because I'd be in bed already).

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Florida-Wisconsin
 

Beginning of OT off the tip, Foul called no team or player control Florida goes to free throw line arrow is switched? What just happened?

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FL/Wisconsin
4.0 seconds left in OT
Leon of FL called for a foul on drive by Hayes of WI.
What did the defender do wrong?

Edit: Justice as FL wins on a buzzer-beater 3pt shot.

When I re watched he tried to get back in position after being beat and tripped the offensive player on the shot. Just what I saw.

Verne reffed OT like he didn't want a double OT. There were several iffy calls going Wisconsin's way the last 2 minutes, but fate stepped in and the correct team won.

Yes, thank god the game wasn't decided by that final Wisconsin possession.

As for what the Fla. defender did wrong on Hayes, I felt the same way as you ... initially. After watching it a few times, I'm guessing it was his hands all over Hayes' back throughout his ridiculous spin-move travel.

My main concern on the play was the travel. I understand 99/100 spin moves these days are travels and I also understand 89/100 will not be called, but moments like this are cringeworthy when basketball society's acceptance (all of us and myself included) of these textbook-illegal moves as legal leads to (or nearly leads to) the game-winning points.

The arrow wasn't switched. It was initially set in favor of Wisconsin when the ball was placed at the disposal of the FL FTer. This is the start of an extra period.

Already addressed earlier in thread, but in case you missed it. Fla. went to the line because of the foul. But because neither team had gained control and therefore the possession arrow had yet to be set, for purposes of setting the initial direction of the arrow for overtime, Fla. was considered to be in team control when the ball was placed at the shooter's disposal for the first free throw.

Therefore, the arrow is set in Wisconsin's direction. Standard test question, but as someone said earlier, one that rarely comes up on the court.

The arrow wasn't "switched." Remember that OT begins with a jump all and therefore there is no direction for the arrow. The delay was just in confirming they set it properly, which they eventually did.

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I think your assumption about what they were talking about was incorrect. I do not think the were talking about the net at all. I think they were talking about how to administer the foul or if there was a reason (rules wise) to negate the foul. The questions I think they were considering was does the basket count? Does the foul get penalized? If so, how. I think they went to the monitor to see either who fouled or who was fouled. Ultimately, they got all of that right.

As for common sense relating to the BI, I see hands touch the net every game that go uncalled. It is just one of those things that is often passed on. You may or may not agree, but it happens too often to be just missed.

Yes, that should be a foul. Clear disruption of his movement and loss of the ball.

I agree that it was a foul, just not a blocking foul. His arms were not even close to vertical and there was plenty of contact between the arms.

I've seen that called about 50% of the time this year. In past years, not so much. They're calling it a bit tighter now but don't always catch it.

I've seen that called a charge 90% or more of the time this year. Can't say what it wasn't called here. Perhaps they didn't have a good look.

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Wow, what a great description of the play.

And is there going to be a video request for every block/charge call in the tournament?

I don't call travels when I can't see the ball.

Contact from behind on a ball-handler that causes him to go to the floor used to be one of John Adams' absolutes. The Center should be primary on this, but the Trail can get this also.

The arrow was not pointed in anybody's Direction when overtime started so it could not have been switched. As already explained it was set at the proper time.

I can see giving the defender the foul based on a lack of verticality.

Foul occurs before Hayes completes his spin move, so I don't know how anybody could say this is a travel.

Because they absolutely would have counted the hoop had it gone in.

I doubt it since Wisconsin is now out. His only posts, ever, were about players where Wisconsin didn't get the call.

There was a travel called in the Baylor/SC game. I don't have the specific time, but it was in the first half (probably somewhere around the 8-10 minute mark, but I could be wrong). Baylor player near the free throw line pivots a couple times then pivots towards the basket and shoots. It didn't appear that he ever moved his pivot foot other than to shoot. Both the T&C whistled with T taking the travel call. There wasn't a replay, so I didn't get second look.

Random Plays from Wisconsin vs. Florida Game

Play #1: Goaltending play

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Play #2: Pass off screen

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Play #3: Pass and crash play

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Play #4: Legal spin move?

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Play#1 - good call, on the way down
Play#2 - There was no screen, Florida play just ran into the Wisconsin player. If the player is running around a player do you call a foul on the guy holding the ball?
Play#3 - The lead wanted this to be offensive in a bad way but did a great job of holding off his call because the center was wrong.
Play#4 - Nice spin move, looked good

It is a screen by rule and interpretation. He passes off the ball so he is subjected to some screening rules. But he does not turn into the screened player and gives enough time and distance. It is not unusual in these pass off situations to have the ball handler soon to not be ball handler to kind of cause contact with the defender coming at them. This IMO was totally legal and he was turning away from contact. If turning toward contact, then we might have had a different result.

Peace

He was going to pass off the ball but was run into by the Florida player first. Therefore there is no attempted screen. You can't penalize him because of what he was going to do but by what the defender did prior to any handoff.

I don't disagree with your interpretation of the rule.

More from Wisconsin vs. Florida

Play #5:

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Play #6:

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I did not say anything about penalizing him if he was legal as he was in this play. But handoff screens are common and usually result in nothing, this was just an example. But it is a screen a the same rules apply. If he had kept coming forward and knocked down the defender, then I would have advocated for a foul. And that is why I think they showed a replay of the situation to show that the Wisconsin player was legal.

Peace

Got it, thanks for the explanation.

Np.

Peace

Whether he has the ball or not, it is still a screen. That said, it was a legal screen....good no call.

there are plays where b/c opportunities should be no calls, and this is one of them. if the defender is there and set in time, but the ballhandler gets his torso past, then it can be a no call. You sure shouldn't call a block, as a defender that is set in legal guarding position has no obligation to move out of the way. This particular play that is best result, next best would be charge.

Am I Right Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. ???
 

Young guns, like JRutledge, say "No problem". Old farts like me, say, "You're welcome". Ain't it funny how language changes right before our eyes (or our ears)?

Note: Please don't tell my Mom, or Mr. Baumgartner, my high school sophomore English teacher, that I used "ain't" in a sentence.

Nomination for the "Doing Too Much" Countdown!!!

Peace

I stopped reading when I saw this word.

Sorry about that. Looks like you've already got two of them. The first one was called an offensive foul on Nigel Hayes at 4:25 of the first half.

One other one - Khalil Iverson #21 appears to be tripped by #13 of florida, 9:34 wnd half Ball called out of bounds. If it is incidental is it not still a foul?

I was watching the game and got this play. I will post it later.

I did not think this was a foul. If the contact in incidental, that means it is not a foul. That is what incidental contact actually means.

Peace

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More random
 

Play #7:

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Play #8:

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Play #9

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Play #10

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It's amazing how fandom can cause people to hallucinate.

He tripped ... but he wasn't tripped. Falling down is falling down.