1.9 Sec left in Playoff game TO Granted with none left leads to Coach Ejection (Video

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's actually quite simple, if one of the officials informed the team/coach that he had no timeouts left, as required by the rules, then the officials would know 100% for sure who was informed.

How in the heck would an official have any idea who is informed once you tell a coach or tell and assistant their timeout situation? I am not staying in the darn huddle for them to tell everyone what they are going to tell them. That is about as dumb as anything I have heard on this site if you think any official is hanging out to figure out if all team members (who might not even be next to the coach in the first place). That is like telling me that the official knows the play that was called during the timeout. There is no way unless you hanging out in the huddle to know what was said to players.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's not a flexible mechanic, it's a rule.

Yes a rule that has no specifics on how to tell them or what to say. Or even where to tell them. So your assessment of this is quite overstated. And if you are worried about that, then you will just have to be worried. I could not care less either way. Been in some high profile situations in my career and the last thing I am worried about is what a coach is told about in a game about their timeout situations.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This isn't some type of courtesy that officials extend to teams and coaches, it's a long recognized rule that most of us have followed dozens (maybe more) of times. In my thirty-six years, as the calling official granting, and reporting, the final allotted timeout, and being informed as such by the table, I have never, ever, failed to inform the head coach, either during, or immediately after, the timeout, or, failing to get the attention of the head coach without interrupting his huddle, informing the assistant coach. As the non calling official, if the situation presents itself, I have asked my partner, "Did you inform the coach?".

I have been doing this for 20 and never had many officials worry about this. Again usually the table people are telling us when they have many timeouts left and it is long before they are out in the game. Usually there are situations that are communicated related to how many "30 second timeouts" are left.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If the officials are informed by the table and they choose not to inform the team/coach, then they have simply kicked a rule (and in 99.9% (maybe more) of all cases, this doesn't result in any negative ramifications).

First of all, no one here brought up anything about this but you (it appears). That was not the issue of this thread or even the accusation of the team. You are the only one making this part of this an issue. The issue was whether or not the player requested a timeout, which appears to be the case in several videos about the topic. But somehow you are turned this (like you do other things) into something that has nothing to do with the actual topic. Congrats.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Now, some officials do go beyond the rule and extend the courtesy of communicating to teams/coaches how many timeouts (before using all of them) they have remaining, "Coach, you have one sixty second timeout left", but that's outside of the rules, isn't required by the NFHS, and is more of a personal and/or local custom (maybe for building good rapport with the coaches). I don't do that, and my local board officials are instructed not to do that. It's a classic "When in Rome ..." situation.

Yes, that is true, but that is not what appears to have happened her. And I do not care what your local board does, because I do not work for one entity that tells us anything other than the IHSA. And they do not assign most of our games. And I have yet to see an email or comment about how officials handled a timeout situation when a team is out as an emphasis of doing our job.

Peace

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I do not care what your local board does, because I do not work for one entity that tells us anything other than the IHSA. And they do not assign most of our games. And I have yet to see an email or comment about how officials handled a timeout situation when a team is out as an emphasis of doing our job.

But, but…I thought……One Rule, One Interpretation, right?

Oh wait, I'm not forced to pay homage to IAABO. Whew!



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

How in the heck would an official have any idea who is informed once you tell a coach or tell and assistant their timeout situation?

Like JRutledge, I don't care one bit if #3 knew, or didn't know, if his team had any timeouts remaining. All I care about is that the officials (assuming they were informed by the table) informed one of the coaches of #3's team.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... inform the head coach, either during, or immediately after, the timeout, or, failing to get the attention of the head coach without interrupting his huddle, informing the assistant coach.

I don't, nor do I know of anyone else, who informs the entire team, even if the rule seems to (stupidly, it says a team and its coach, not a team or its coach) imply that. Everybody here in my local board just makes sure to tell the head coach, or if he's busy in the huddle, an assistant coach. As far as we're concerned, that fulfills the intent and purpose of the rule. If that procedure is followed (assuming that the table informs the official), we at least know with 100% reliability that an adult on the team is informed, and that we, as officials, are not kicking a rule. If the assistant coach doesn't inform the head coach, and/or if the head coach doesn't inform his players, then that responsibility is on the team's adult leaders, not on the officials. And, like JRutledge stated in an earlier post, even when players are informed by the coach not to request any timeouts, they are just kids, and they often do stupid things, like request a timeout that they don't have (see Chris Webber video).

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all, no one here brought up anything about this but you. That was not the issue of this thread or even the accusation of the team. The issue was whether or not the player requested a timeout.

At the time I made my first post regarding this rule, the main issue was, as JRutledge stated, whether or not the player requested a timeout, but also, at that time, Forum members had no idea if the coach was informed, or not informed.

Post #72 https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1001543

After U99's post came out that described, in detail, the entire incident, we became aware that the only issue was if a player had actually requested a timeout. The only reason that I have continued to post on this rule is in response to JRutledge's posts regarding this rule.

Post #99 https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1001626

Originally Posted by U99

The scorer notifies FCHS head coach that is his last timeout and he acknowledges in front of the official.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes, that is true, but that is not what appears to have happened here.

Absolutely 100% correct. If something like that happened, I'm sure that it would have been posted by U99 in his detailed report, after all, he was there. After U99's post, all of my posts responding to JRutledge have been about hypothetical situations, like an official not informing the coach, and the head coach chasing the official all over the court yelling, "How can you charge us with a technical foul, you never informed us that we were out of timeouts?" (even if I, as the official, screwed up, I would still charge the excess timeout technical foul, two wrongs don't make a right).

Bottom line, this was a good opportunity to remind Forum members, including officials, coaches, players, and fans, what the "inform" rule actual requires officials to do under such circumstances:

The scorer shall: Record the time-out information charged to each team (who and
when) and notify a team and its coach, through an official, whenever that team is
granted its final allotted charged time-out.

As well as: The scorer shall: Signal the nearer official each time a team is granted a time-out in
excess of the allotted number.

On the other hand, I couldn't let this incomplete interpretation (below) of the rule stand without mentioning rest of the rule:

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The rule for timeouts requires the scorer to inform the officials that they are out of timeouts.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am only telling them if I am told they are out. If the table never says a thing, I am not saying a word.

And I am doing exactly the same. 100% agreement on this. (Although if I have reason to believe that a team has used all of its alloted timeouts, and I'm not informed, I may ask the table to double check.)

[JRutledge]

Again I couldn't care less or care less either way. If the teams do not know their timeout situation like other book situations, shame on them. Timeouts they call and verify after every granted is one them. Because if something is wrong, then they better figure that out before they are listed as out. So this entire rule that seems to be the focus is irrelevant. Just like it is irrelevant if the scorers sits together during the game and that rarely happens. It might help things if they do, but when they don't I am not going to go crazy if they don't.

Peace

[Rich]

Billy, can I borrow your belt for a few minutes, please?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

Billy, can I borrow your belt for a few minutes, please?

Sorry, it's at the cleaners.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Billy, can I borrow your belt for a few minutes, please?

Why? Do you wish to give Rut a spanking?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why? Do you wish to give Rut a spanking?

Nah, it is so it will coordinate with his Byron collar.

[InsideTheStripe]

I can't, for the life of me, figure out what gets threads locked here.