Loose ball and continuation of play? (Video)

[bob jenkins]

1. Foul on red.

2. Intentional

3a. No travel.
3b. Couldn't tell

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1. Foul on red.

2. Intentional

3a. No travel.
3b. Couldn't tell

Bob, would you be so kind as to elaborate on #2? I see her barely make contact, which has no affect. Thanks.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Bob, would you be so kind as to elaborate on #2? I see her barely make contact, which has no affect.

If the "barely" contact is grabbing at the opponent's jersey, that's not a basketball play, and thus the intentional foul. My question, did the defender actually make contact with the jersey, or did she swipe and miss?

I don't like to use the term "automatic", but when I see a jersey grab, a push from behind, or a bear hug, when the situation dictates the clock being stopped, or an easy basket being prevented, I'm, at least, thinking about the possibility of an intentional foul.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Bob, would you be so kind as to elaborate on #2? I see her barely make contact, which has no affect. Thanks.

2. If anything, intentional. I feel that it did have an effect.

3a. No travel.

3b. If initial control on rebound, then travel. If not, then no travel. (one could call violation on shooter for breaking FT line plane before ball hit rim, especially when that player gets the rebound.)

[Amesman]

1. Yes. White was taken out, and not by her own doing.

2. Seems that the anticipation was that there'd be more contact than there was and our striped brother had to live with his whistle. Understandable how it happened, but not desirable. Reminds a bit of one of those "illegal," lunging back picks that draws no contact.

Upon second re-review blown up, the first (left-hand) swipe grazes the back of the jersey. A bit of an overhand motion, it could deserves the IF (though it's still so slight - see paragraph above) and must be what he whistled. The second (right-hand swipe) is likely what the defender wants to use as justification as "going after the ball," woefully distant and short as it was. Woefully.

3a. No travel

3b. Tough to see among the clutter, but it looks like lead could have seen a bunny step or two at the end (surmised only from final view). Upon second reviewing, give that L a hand: no question a travel.

And she violated at the FT line too.

[JRutledge]

Clock issues and concerns:

Apparently this was made an issue by someone in the media. It was covered in another article about the game. I wonder what everyone here thinks of this breakdown of the events. I did not notice this when I watched the game.



Peace

[ODog]

On play 3b, I don't think a FT violation by the shooter is nearly as obvious as some of you do.

Is she a nanosecond early? Yes. Does her being in the lane and getting the rebound of a quick brick make it look worse? Yes. But that's a tough hair to split in the final seconds of a state final (or whatever this is).

She waits out 98 percent of the flight before the ball hits the rim, and if I'm the C, I'm frying bigger fish by that point.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ODog

Is she a nanosecond early? Yes. Does her being in the lane and getting the rebound of a quick brick make it look worse? Yes. But that's a tough hair to split in the final seconds of a state final (or whatever this is).

Being on this floor is considered the "State Finals" no matter what games you work. For the record there are 4 games each day (Friday and Saturday). Semifinals are on Friday and the Title games and 3rd place games. There are 12 officials assigned for the weekend and each official works a game each day. Officials assigned are considered "State Final Officials" in the record book regardless of if you work a title game or not that year.

This game was the 1A Title game for girls in a 4 class system. Also 1A-2A plays one weekend and the 3A-4A plays the following weekend. Each gender has their own weekend and officials do not work a lot of both genders in the playoffs in total, but there are exceptions if the schedule allows them to work both.

Peace