Parent blows up

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Parent ejection, Team technical foul, and in my area we have a rule that if a parent gets tossed the kid leaves with him. The last part was put in a few years ago and really helps control these fools.

I'm sure that works most of the time BUT...I'd ask you to remember kids don't get to choose their parents....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I'm sure that works most of the time BUT...I'd ask you to remember kids don't get to choose their parents....

Understand that this isn't my rule. It was created by the people who run the local AAU tournaments because they had too many problems with parent behavior. All of the AAU games are pay-to-play, so they simply decided to have the kid lose the playing time that the parents paid for as penalty for the poor actions. It was actually a brilliant idea as it hits the people in the pocket book. I can tell you that parent behavior improved greatly after the rule was implemented.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I'm sure that works most of the time BUT...I'd ask you to remember kids don't get to choose their parents....

And I don't do this for the kids (even though all the benevolent parents and coaches do). I personally like the rule.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by deecee

And I don't do this for the kids (even though all the benevolent parents and coaches do). I personally like the rule.

The entire free world knows you dont do this for the kids...isnt necessary for you to repeat it twice a week...As for the rule, i'm sure it works but i think tossing the idiot parent and suspending/banning him from games would work just as well.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

The entire free world knows you dont do this for the kids...isnt necessary for you to repeat it twice a week...As for the rule, i'm sure it works but i think tossing the idiot parent and suspending/banning him from games would work just as well.

Very few of us do it for the kids ("for the kids" is the single phrase that makes me nearly vomit) but I think his point is valid here and appropriate.

I'm not calling the team T (unless directed to do so) here, but I like the rule that sends players out with their parents when mom or dad gets tossed. AAU can be a horrible environment for officials, so draconian measures aren't really out of place.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

Very few of us do it for the kids ("for the kids" is the single phrase that makes me nearly vomit) but I think his point is valid here and appropriate.

I'm not calling the team T (unless directed to do so) here, but I like the rule that sends players out with their parents when mom or dad gets tossed. AAU can be a horrible environment for officials, so draconian measures aren't really out of place.

Ok. In earlier post you also indicated not to punish the kid. Frankly, I tend to want to punish the bad actor. That's my position and i like what BNR mentioned…security and handcuffs.

Also, i don't think why we do what we do or who we do it for or "for the kids" has anything to do with it. I know everybody has different reasons for doing it. I have many reasons for doing it. I just think bad actors should be punished/barred etc. I'm not a fan of guilt by association when one person isn't able to choose who he's associated with… That doesn't have anything to do with why i'm there or your there etc.

I understand the position and if its truly gotten that bad then that may be all that's left...

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Ok. In earlier post you also indicated not to punish the kid. Frankly, I tend to want to punish the bad actor.

Any parent ejected should not be permittee back at a basketball game until taking a referee course and passing the exam.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Ok. In earlier post you also indicated not to punish the kid. Frankly, I tend to want to punish the bad actor. That's my position and i like what BNR mentioned…security and handcuffs.

Also, i don't think why we do what we do or who we do it for or "for the kids" has anything to do with it. I know everybody has different reasons for doing it. I have many reasons for doing it. I just think bad actors should be punished/barred etc. I'm not a fan of guilt by association when one person isn't able to choose who he's associated with… That doesn't have anything to do with why i'm there or your there etc.

I understand the position and if its truly gotten that bad then that may be all that's left...

Some people want to say not to punish the kids because we do this for the kids. I think that's what he was responding to. I'll admit my reaction is sometimes just as reflexive on that topic.

My main point with that is that I'm not calling a technical foul on the team for Dad's stupidity here. If a league decides to add penalties such as removing the player when a parent gets tossed, I can see valid reasons to support that. I've done enough travel ball in the past to know just how bad these knuckleheads can be.

[deecee]

BigCat I responded to you in regards to "I'd ask you to remember kids don't get to choose their parents"

I'm saying I don't care. It's 8th grade AAU ball which some parents (and kids) think is the NBA. Unfortunately sometimes a heavy hand is required to get a message across. Will it work? Who knows. But when I make a decision as a ref I never once think "what about little Johnny/or Suzy".

In my experience no good deed goes unpunished so I just want the crap sorted, fixed and the game to move on. After all it's 8th grade AAU ball.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

Some people want to say not to punish the kids because we do this for the kids. I think that's what he was responding to. I'll admit my reaction is sometimes just as reflexive on that topic.

My main point with that is that I'm not calling a technical foul on the team for Dad's stupidity here. If a league decides to add penalties such as removing the player when a parent gets tossed, I can see valid reasons to support that. I've done enough travel ball in the past to know just how bad these knuckleheads can be.

One thing about punishing the kid as well as the parent, gives the coaches and other team parents major incentive to police each other.