Kansas @ Kansas State plays (Video)

[deecee]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Just because you have video, doesn't mean you shouldn't do things the right way. Most of us don't have every game being taped, so my comments were mainly geared in that direction....

Cute, critiquing Higgins, who is perhaps the #1 rated mens basketball official in the country about doing things the right way.

As for the plays

1 & 2. In real time I'd say shooting, however in slo mo he got them right
3. Nothing wrong with the deal ball activity. The Kansas player over reacted
4. Not an OOB
5. I thought it was a PC from the get go
6. I don't think the foot struck the ball and the L would have an awful angle for that call

[Jay R]

Excuse my ignorance of NCAA rules (I use FIBA rules), but does there need to be "upward" movement for the act of shooting to begin? To me, #1 and 2 are clear shooting fouls.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jay R

Excuse my ignorance of NCAA rules (I use FIBA rules), but does there need to be "upward" movement for the act of shooting to begin? To me, #1 and 2 are clear shooting fouls.

That is the interpretation for Men's basketball. I will tell you many of us try our best to make the upward motion as apart of our calls. But that does not mean we have a rule that clearly is often tough to call. I do not begrudge either call, they are tough to make on the fly. Easier for us to state this on replay IMO.

Peace

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is the interpretation for Men's basketball. I will tell you many of us try our best to make the upward motion as apart of our calls. But that does not mean we have a rule that clearly is often tough to call. I do not begrudge either call, they are tough to make on the fly. Easier for us to state this on replay IMO.

Peace

Thanks Jeff. In FIBA, the rules states that the act of shooting often begins with upward movement but it is not necessary. It seems there are times when a player picks up his dribble to shoot that he is clearly in the act of shooting although he may not have actually started an upward movement.

[RedAndWhiteRef]

On No. 5, are we sure he's indicating it's an RA block? I don't see him do it after he gives the block signal, and when it's a close-up of him, that motion he does with his hand seems more like he's telling the player "Line it up for free throws" than it is pointing to the arc.

I recall this play now. Just because the announcer said it was doesn't mean it was.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

On No. 5, are we sure he's indicating it's an RA block? I don't see him do it after he gives the block signal, and when it's a close-up of him, that motion he does with his hand seems more like he's telling the player "Line it up for free throws" than it is pointing to the arc.

I recall this play now. Just because the announcer said it was doesn't mean it was.

I was not basing it off the announcer. I am basing it off of what he said when the player approached him. He looked like he was telling the coach why he called the block.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Yes, I am a KU fan. But, Play #3 was not an Held Ball. This was a very good example of A1 gaining control of the ball while on the floor and then B1 and B2 jumping on A1 and/or B1 and B2 grabbing A1's arms. I am sorry I do not care what level play this is, both B1 and B2 committed a CF against A1. At no time was this ever a Held Ball.

MTD, Sr.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by deecee

Cute, critiquing Higgins, who is perhaps the #1 rated mens basketball official in the country about doing things the right way.

Absolutely not the intent...... again, my comments are strictly focused on maybe a different way for the high school game. When I first started, mentors emphasized keeping eyes on all players involved in a 'scrum'. It has served me well over the years, as I've caught a few jabs/pokes that I might have missed had I been more concerned about knowing which way the arrow was pointing...

I'm well aware that the top D1 guys are perfect and have nothing to work on to improve their games......

[bucky]

Play 1: shooting
Play 2: shooting
Play 3. L blows whistle, signals, and takes eyes off players. If going to call a held ball, I suggest getting down on one knee, right next to the players, and repeatedly blowing my whistle until all involved players part.
Play 4. Ball did not hit the line but perhaps L was signaling foot being OOB.
Play 5. Not in RA and therefore not an RA block call. I fail to see ref point to RA at any time, which is the proper mechanic for RA block calls.
Play 6. Not a kicked ball. Ref made a mistake.