Kansas @ Kansas State plays (Video)

[Jay R]

Excuse my ignorance of NCAA rules (I use FIBA rules), but does there need to be "upward" movement for the act of shooting to begin? To me, #1 and 2 are clear shooting fouls.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jay R

Excuse my ignorance of NCAA rules (I use FIBA rules), but does there need to be "upward" movement for the act of shooting to begin? To me, #1 and 2 are clear shooting fouls.

That is the interpretation for Men's basketball. I will tell you many of us try our best to make the upward motion as apart of our calls. But that does not mean we have a rule that clearly is often tough to call. I do not begrudge either call, they are tough to make on the fly. Easier for us to state this on replay IMO.

Peace

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is the interpretation for Men's basketball. I will tell you many of us try our best to make the upward motion as apart of our calls. But that does not mean we have a rule that clearly is often tough to call. I do not begrudge either call, they are tough to make on the fly. Easier for us to state this on replay IMO.

Peace

Thanks Jeff. In FIBA, the rules states that the act of shooting often begins with upward movement but it is not necessary. It seems there are times when a player picks up his dribble to shoot that he is clearly in the act of shooting although he may not have actually started an upward movement.

[RedAndWhiteRef]

On No. 5, are we sure he's indicating it's an RA block? I don't see him do it after he gives the block signal, and when it's a close-up of him, that motion he does with his hand seems more like he's telling the player "Line it up for free throws" than it is pointing to the arc.

I recall this play now. Just because the announcer said it was doesn't mean it was.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef

On No. 5, are we sure he's indicating it's an RA block? I don't see him do it after he gives the block signal, and when it's a close-up of him, that motion he does with his hand seems more like he's telling the player "Line it up for free throws" than it is pointing to the arc.

I recall this play now. Just because the announcer said it was doesn't mean it was.

I was not basing it off the announcer. I am basing it off of what he said when the player approached him. He looked like he was telling the coach why he called the block.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Yes, I am a KU fan. But, Play #3 was not an Held Ball. This was a very good example of A1 gaining control of the ball while on the floor and then B1 and B2 jumping on A1 and/or B1 and B2 grabbing A1's arms. I am sorry I do not care what level play this is, both B1 and B2 committed a CF against A1. At no time was this ever a Held Ball.

MTD, Sr.

[OKREF]

Was the first one even a foul? From another topic in another thread. Did anyone notice that during the 3rd clip, Higgins is about to administer the throw in from the end line and he is setting up to be on the outside of the thrower.

[Bob Bball]

When 15 blue gets control of the ball and rolls from one side to the other away from the defence! And does this before any contact on his arms or the ball is held for an AP, is this not a travel in NCAA M.

I can see possible fouls on this play, I can see an AP.

It would be a travel in FIBA. It is easily missed, but by rule in FIBA it is a travel.

Please help with NCAA M rule and interpretation.

[hamnegger]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Yes, I am a KU fan. But, Play #3 was not an Held Ball. This was a very good example of A1 gaining control of the ball while on the floor and then B1 and B2 jumping on A1 and/or B1 and B2 grabbing A1's arms. I am sorry I do not care what level play this is, both B1 and B2 committed a CF against A1. At no time was this ever a Held Ball.

MTD, Sr.

Agree 100%