Cathartic Release

[Camron Rust]

I only watched the first 5-6 plays. After you were wrong on about half of them, I stopped watching. Not worth the time.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by xyrph

Look I get it. Officiating is hard. It's difficult to make split second decisions and to be right on each throughout a whole game.

Grab a whistle and some stripes, get on the floor, and call your perfect game. We'll watch......and not say a thing.

[Raymond]

I like how #4 (your daughter?) just plays the game and doesn't concern herself with the officials. You and those two jackwagon parents in the video could learn a thing or two from her.

[APG]

Are there incorrect calls and incorrect no calls in this video? Sure....

But I'll say that the convenient timing of some of the slow mo used just shows how slow mo can distort and make a real time decision appear worse than it actually is. If one wants to make an apparent no call on a carry appear worse than it really it...one just goes to slow motion at the apparent time of the carry. Look at how long it came to "rest" here. Totally ignoring the fact that 30-40 feet away from the basket with absolutely no pressure...no one really wants that called except for the time when EVERYONE...even his own coach...is calling for the call. You'll have a defensive coach maybe bring that up but...that's more him trying to get an extra possession.

I can already hear it...but APG....advantage/disadvantage doesn't apply to violations! We already do this with certain violations in certain situations....for instance...3 seconds and 10 seconds on the FT shooter. As much as we make this a science (which as a whole is a good thing)...there's still some art of this.

I'll also echo the sentiment...that a lot of factors go into what type of ball an official will work...and this will itself...effect the caliber of officials one will get for a game. For a lot of officials the quality presented in this clip is not "worth" it...especially for the pay.

[APG]

Originally Posted by xyrph

Look I get it. Officiating is hard. It's difficult to make split second decisions and to be right on each throughout a whole game.

My players practice all year long. We do travel ball. We prepare. It's frustrating when the officials of a given game let so many clear violations by opponents slide and then make calls against us.

It happens every game. I start off the games giving the benefit of the doubt and by the 2nd quarter, I'm often steaming.

I get it....coaching/playing/supporting your team is hard. It's difficult to stay objective when you've invested so much physically/fiscally/emotional and to try and win every single game.

I'm constantly trying to better myself. I work games all year long. I go to camps. I break down film. I get together with like minded officials. It's just frustrating when you're constantly being yelled at and downgraded by players/coaches/fans. It's especially frustrating when maybe one call goes for their team but then something goes against them they are all up in arms.

It happens every game. I start off the game giving all participants the benefit of the doubt and by the halfway mark of the 1st quarter...I find myself having to especially ignore everyone in the stands.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by xyrph

Look I get it. Officiating is hard. It's difficult to make split second decisions and to be right on each throughout a whole game.

My players practice all year long. We do travel ball. We prepare. It's frustrating when the officials of a given game let so many clear violations by opponents slide and then make calls against us.

It happens every game. I start off the games giving the benefit of the doubt and by the 2nd quarter, I'm often steaming.

What I've chosen to do this year is just compile a video of some of these and it's certainly been cathartic.

I'd like to share it with you in the hopes that you can see the frustration these calls cause the teams, coaches, parents, fans.

So you are that guy? The guy that lives through his kids and thinks his kid is the next WNBA star in the making. Dreams of college being paid for because you can't save the money yourself.

Based on the video, some of the missed calls are bad, some of them had little to no effect on the game. Why call all of them and stop the game and ruin flow when you don't have to? You whine a LOT!!!!!!!

The team in white isn't that good anyway, regardless of your traveling, yearlong practicing, and hours of preparation. Do you really want the refs to call every little thing in girls games? If you do, you will be there all night long. You are whining way too much and, if it hasn't happened yet, I'm betting you get tossed at some point.

I think instead of traveling a lot and practicing all year, you should take some time off and become an official. Then, put together a tape of your best and worst calls. We would love to see that.

[Pantherdreams]

Others have commented on it but the quality of the basketball is not super high. As a result:

- You don't get top officials.

- The officials you do get are spending more time deciding what to call or not call to give the game flow and not take 3 hours. Rather than calling what is happening

- The tactics/habits/skills habits being employed on both sides are creating chaotic environment which again leads to more of these situations for less than top officials trying to manage and create game flow.


In related news nothing you ask of us, get as a response from us, or say to officials before, during, after a game they've officiated is going to change any of what you are seeing. Things that will change it. Level/quality of play in games (higher quality skills and games will not only have less of these situations to manage you will get better officials). If you wanted to officiate and get involved in a local board or association maybe from the inside you could see things differently or at least understand the rationale behind what you are seeing. If you still thought change needed to be affected you could climb the ranks and actually get change affected.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by xyrph

These are not travel games. Not sure why that keeps being brought up. These are games from this season. It's not hundreds of games and it's not hundreds of officials. Our girls do train year round and do participate in travel ball, but each of these clips is from this school season.

In the flood of replies, I completely missed this. I think we made the assumption after you'd mentioned the travel stuff in original post. Not that we (I) thought it through too far, but it's not really relevant if these aren't travel league games. Most varsity level players around in my metro area are playing basketball all year long.

I still stand by my points, I'll just change the number to dozens.

I'll add that I've never had a high school coach (varsity, JV, or freshman) ever complain about a missed FT violation. Not to the point where he'd include it in a video proving how bad the officials are. That probably added to my assumptions.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

In the flood of replies, I completely missed this. I think we made the assumption after you'd mentioned the travel stuff in original post. Not that we (I) thought it through too far, but it's not really relevant if these aren't travel league games. Most varsity level players around in my metro area are playing basketball all year long.

I still stand by my points, I'll just change the number to dozens.

I'll add that I've never had a high school coach (varsity, JV, or freshman) ever complain about a missed FT violation. Not to the point where he'd include it in a video proving how bad the officials are. That probably added to my assumptions.

Well, that one is pretty bad. I would've waved off the shot and started to the other end by the time the ball reached the basket.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

....

I'll add that I've never had a high school coach (varsity, JV, or freshman) ever complain about a missed FT violation. Not to the point where he'd include it in a video proving how bad the officials are. That probably added to my assumptions.

Last night, I had a JuCo coach who was up by 20 complain to my partner that an opponent shooter was crossed the line to quickly (not as blatantly as the one in this video) on a free throw where I was the C. So the next time that player was on the line I walked up to him and told him to remember to not to step in too quickly.

[DRJ1960]

In my current association, we are assigned very randomly... you might see an official who worked the State tourney last year doing a game like I had last night... GV--at end of 1st quarter 40-2.