Ejected From Tournament (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Hawkeyes

If she didn't fall into the wall - is it still worthy of disqualification?

Not for me.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not for me.

I might have because she made a point to get close enough to bend elbows and gave her pretty good 2 handed shove while in the air. Total non basketball play that could cause big damage, wall or no wall.

[packersowner]

I don't care about the proximity of the wall or even how hard she was shoved, I care about the exposure of the offensive player in this situation.

She had no ability to absorb the content, she was in a compromised position, and in all likelihood didn't know she was about to get shoved from behind. These add up to a flagrant for me.

I had a similar situation a few weeks ago, smaller girl goes to foul a larger heavier set girl at the end of a game. The defender came and two hand shoved the other girl, but in this case the offensive player knew it was coming, absorbed it and even turned into the contact to avoid it. I called an intentional.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I don't care about the proximity of the wall or even how hard she was shoved, I care about the exposure of the offensive player in this situation.

She had no ability to absorb the content, she was in a compromised position, and in all likelihood didn't know she was about to get shoved from behind. These add up to a flagrant for me.

I had a similar situation a few weeks ago, smaller girl goes to foul a larger heavier set girl at the end of a game. The defender came and two hand shoved the other girl, but in this case the offensive player knew it was coming, absorbed it and even turned into the contact to avoid it. I called an intentional.

So you're saying the shove on its own, without more info is worthy of the flagrant? I think the entire action, including the results need to be factored in. What if the shooter lands on her feet? I just don't think I could justify a flagrant in that situation, whereas an intentional foul is easily justifiable.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not for me.

Me either.

As someone else has mentioned -- you can't separate cause and effect from these types of calls. If it's a two handed shove and she doesn't go to the ground at all, I'll go intentional, but flagrant would not fit the situation.