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xyrph Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:26pm

Ejected From Tournament (Video)
 
White 15 was ejected from the game and the tournament.

To coaches and parents, officials' calls can sometimes be frustrating but the simultaneous call here and the ejection were impressive.

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Nevadaref Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:12am

According to the scoreboard info: 4th quarter, 9 point lead for blue, when white delivers a two-handed shove in the back on a breakaway.
Easy flagrant personal foul.

AremRed Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:36am

Wow. Excellent call on the Flagrant Personal Foul.

Important to note that under NFHS rules, players and substitutes are disqualified. Coaches and other adult bench personnel are ejected. If the disqualified players are still causing trouble or have potential to cause trouble you can have them removed but they must be escorted to the locker room by an adult and 3rd.

Welpe Tue Jan 24, 2017 01:47am

Easy call, glad they made it.

Question for the group, would you direct A11 in this play to leave the game under either 3-3-6 or 3-3-8?

AremRed Tue Jan 24, 2017 02:08am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 998264)
Question for the group, would you direct A11 in this play to leave the game under either 3-3-6 or 3-3-8?

Yes, absolutely. More 3-3-8 than 3-3-6, I would heavily emphasize player safety in this case.

Nevadaref Tue Jan 24, 2017 02:13am

Yep, once the coach comes onto the court to check on her, she is getting removed or a time-out will be charged.

Nevadaref Tue Jan 24, 2017 02:20am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 998266)
Yes, absolutely. More 3-3-8 than 3-3-6, I would heavily emphasize player safety in this case.

Please tell me what signs, symptoms, or behaviors consistent with a concussion the fouled player is exhibiting?
She quickly gets up on her own and walks over near her team bench.
I think that an official would be overstepping his authority as well as misapplying a rule to require that this player leave the game under 3-3-8.
3-3-6 is clear and obvious when the coach comes out onto the court. Just enforce what's clear. No need to reach here.

deecee Tue Jan 24, 2017 07:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 998269)
Please tell me what signs, symptoms, or behaviors consistent with a concussion the fouled player is exhibiting?
She quickly gets up on her own and walks over near her team bench.
I think that an official would be overstepping his authority as well as misapplying a rule to require that this player leave the game under 3-3-8.
3-3-6 is clear and obvious when the coach comes out onto the court. Just enforce what's clear. No need to reach here.

I agree with this.

frezer11 Tue Jan 24, 2017 09:17am

I don't believe it applies in this video, but had the coach immediately came off his bench and moved toward his player, I think there is an argument that he legally came on to the court to prevent or break up a fight, as fights will often times start following a flagrant foul. In that case, I would at least consider allowing that player to stay in the game. In the video, we can't actually see the coach's initial reaction, as he is off-camera. Had he immediately stood up and moved on to the court, and then walked out the last 2-3 steps once he realized there was no fight imminent, I might have even considered it here.

so cal lurker Tue Jan 24, 2017 09:51am

Last summer, soccer made a rule change that if a player is injured by a foul that results in a yellow or red card, the player can be treated without having to leave the field. To me, that would make sense as a BB rule for a player that is a victim of a flagrant foul.

Moosie74 Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 998264)
Easy call, glad they made it.

Question for the group, would you direct A11 in this play to leave the game under either 3-3-6 or 3-3-8?

Absolutely. Especially in a youth/high school game. Full force into a structural wall, if that's my daughter I'd want her evaluated or to sit a few minutes.

I'd expect the same by any official. A coach shouldn't be concerned by anything but his/her players safety

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MD Longhorn Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:12am

No one has commented on this... OP said, "To coaches and parents, officials' calls can sometimes be frustrating but the simultaneous call here and the ejection were impressive."

To me... coaches and parents that think it's ok to intentionally push opponents into a brick wall (yes ... thinly padded) ... "can sometimes be frustrating"

You seem to be on the side that White 15 was unfairly punished. That literally makes me sick to my stomach.

frezer11 Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 998300)
No one has commented on this... OP said, "To coaches and parents, officials' calls can sometimes be frustrating but the simultaneous call here and the ejection were impressive."

To me... coaches and parents that think it's ok to intentionally push opponents into a brick wall (yes ... thinly padded) ... "can sometimes be frustrating"

You seem to be on the side that White 15 was unfairly punished. That literally makes me sick to my stomach.

I think the OPer meant officials calls in general can sometimes be frustrating, not this specific call. At least that is how I interpret it. Especially since OP seems to be a parent/fan of the team in the dark jersey.

MD Longhorn Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:21am

Perhaps I read it wrong. if I did, I apologize. Most of his other videos have been with his team in white, so I could have assumed inappropriately.

JRutledge Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:37am

Are we ejecting the defender because of how the player fell or because of how hard the player was pushed or both?

I am not convinced this is a slam dunk flagrant foul. Because if the player stayed somewhat on their feet are we calling anything more than an intentional?

Peace


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