Messed up 1 and 1

[Cole4088]

Free throw shooter missed off the front of the rim.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Cole4088

Free throw shooter missed off the front of the rim.

Did players just stand there or did they make an effort to rebound? Interesting. Lets say everybody froze except shooter. He gets rebound dribbles twice then throws ball out of bounds. Players were motionless because of erroneous info but does that have to be caught at that time to go to 8-6? Rule says ball should be declared dead immediately. If shooter rebounds, play continues, he or she dribbles around and then fires ball out of bounds. Is there any correction to make?

That isnt a 2-10 a-e error...

I know what id do but i just want to see what think rules require

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I know what id do but i just want to see what think rules require

If "everyone" acts as if it really was 1-1, then just play on.

If "no one" acts as it it were a 1-1, go to the arrow.

In between, well, sometimes you have to officiate.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If "everyone" acts as if it really was 1-1, then just play on.

If "no one" acts as it it were a 1-1, go to the arrow.

In between, well, sometimes you have to officiate.

We'd like to think that if no one moves the officials would figure it out. Let's say they don't. ball comes to shooter. He dribbles around then throws it away. Then they realize something wasn't right...I'd like to think I'd never let it get that far. I'd still go to the arrow. I think that would be right thing to do still. Not sure technical rules would agree. Your thoughts?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCat

We'd like to think that if no one moves the officials would figure it out. Let's say they don't. ball comes to shooter. He dribbles around then throws it away. Then they realize something wasn't right...I'd like to think I'd never let it get that far. I'd still go to the arrow. I think that would be right thing to do still. Not sure technical rules would agree. Your thoughts?

I'm confused because going to the arrow is the "technical rule" in the play you describe.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm confused because going to the arrow is the "technical rule" in the play you describe.

The case play 8.6 that billy set out above says officials recognize their error just after ball rebounded. One team disadvantaged so go to arrow etc. The correction comes under this rule and case play.

Suppose the rebound comes to the shooter with most if not all on lane thinking it was 2 shots because officials announced it. Little to no effort made to rebound. Unlike the play in 8.6, let say these officials still dont recognize the screw up. Shooter dribbles around and either throws it out of bounds or say she scores. In other words, play continues. After the ball is thrown out of bounds or basket made everybody starts yelling about it. Now they go to the table and figure it out.

Is it too late, technically speaking, under the rules to correct this? It is within the correctable error time frames but this really isnt one of the a-e in 2-10. Sniper's play doesnt really say if everybody attempted to rebound but we see in it that play it goes to POI. Do the rules require us to recognize and fix this right away? If we dont and play continues do we say too late to address it.

I havnt had it happen and if it did id still go back to the arrow rather than saying it is too late to fix but im wondering if that is supported under the rules. Hopefully, its a never in a career play. Just curious...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If "everyone" acts as if it really was 1-1, then just play on.If "no one" acts as it it were a 1-1, go to the arrow.

8.6.1 SITUATION: A1 is about to attempt the first of a one-and-one free-throw
situation. The administering official steps in and erroneously informs players that
two shots will be taken. A1's first attempt is unsuccessful. The missed shot is
rebounded by: (a) B1, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another
throw; (b) A2, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw;
or (c) B2, with several players from both teams attempting to secure the rebound.
The officials recognize their error at this point. RULING: In (a) and (b), the official's
error clearly put one team at a disadvantage (players stood motionless and
didn't attempt to rebound). Play should be whistled dead immediately and
resumed using the alternating-possession procedure. In (c), both teams made an
attempt to rebound despite the official's error and had an equal opportunity to
gain possession of the rebound. Play should continue. (2-3)