Inbound after made basket question- throws in before stepping out.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by marc.reppermund

... he never stepped on the line or out, and his intent was to throw in, has he violated, since he never left the field of play, after the made basket. Violation?

Yes.

[Amesman]

OK, what do you have if player clearly headed "north" OOB after an opponent's made basket, flips it back "south" to an opponent headed up court?

In other words, not yet fully OOB but inbounding the ball while momentum is taking him OOB. One foot either in play still, or still in air while stepping into OOB territory.

This is usually done casually, without back court pressure, of course, and often when it's late in the game or not a close score. I'm not talking about jumping the gun to start a fastbreak, either.

I'd say, like Big Cat, it can depend on the age and level of the players. Young 'uns get a pass (and maybe a caution). Men's league-no bother. But where should one, ahem, draw the line?

[SNIPERBBB]

I like the old caseplay that basically said once it becomes apparent that the throw-in team will not make a legal throw-in to call the violation(5 second).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

I like the old caseplay that basically said once it becomes apparent that the throw-in team will not make a legal throw-in to call the violation(5 second).

Not a 5 second violation, it's a violation for not being out of bounds for the throw-in.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Amesman

In other words, not yet fully OOB but inbounding the ball while momentum is taking him OOB. One foot either in play still, or still in air while stepping into OOB territory.

It depends a little on what you mean by "fully OOB". As long as one foot is OOB and the other is not touching inbounds, the play is legal. OR, if the player jumped form the foot that was OOB, the play is legal.

On the rest -- I will look at what I need to look at. What I need to look at depends on the game and the time / score.

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

I like the old caseplay that basically said once it becomes apparent that the throw-in team will not make a legal throw-in to call the violation(5 second).

It's not a 5-second violation.

[SNIPERBBB]

Not in that case play.

[JRutledge]

There was an interpretation a few years ago that gave an option for either continuing a 5 second count or calling a violation immediately. I think the first one is problematic for many reasons not needing to be stated. The second one is what I do regardless of level. I do not feel the need to help with an obvious violation. I believe this was in the NF Preseason Guidebook where this was specifically discussed. Also the NCAA has addressed this in video as well.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There was an interpretation a few years ago that gave an option for either continuing a 5 second count or calling a violation immediately.

I don't think that was it.

I think the discussion here was (a) wait 5 seconds; (b) bring them back and have them do it right; or, (c) immediate violation.

NFHS came out and said C.