PC foul without a falling player (Video)

[MatthewPV]

I must be in the ultra minority on this one....but I have a blocking foul on the defender or a no call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

I must be in the ultra minority on this one....but I have a blocking foul on the defender or a no call.

Well, you made me watch it again, but there's no way you should call a blocking foul here, IMO. What do you think the defender did wrong?

Hint, the word "set" cannot be anywhere in your answer.

[MatthewPV]

I know "set" is not a requirement for a defender. After a 2nd...and 3rd look...I stand corrected. The defender is moving laterally therefore isn't in violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

I know "set" is not a requirement for a defender. After a 2nd...and 3rd look...I stand corrected. The defender is moving laterally therefore isn't in violation.

I was a little more snarky than I needed to be.

[packersowner]

Looking at my 2012-2013 case book, there are two cases cited 4.23.2 and 4.23.3 where the case discusses "contact" to the torso, both rulings state player control foul.

I think the argument most are having is, how much contact warrants a player control foul? Why do we let the offense make contact but the minute an offensive player touches with two hands, its hand checking and a foul. I think a lot of us have been conditioned to allow the offense to have the advantage. I don't have a problem with this call, its defensible.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I think the argument most are having is, how much contact warrants a player control foul? Why do we let the defense make contact but the minute an offensive player touches with two hands, its hand checking and a foul. I think a lot of us have been conditioned to allow the offense to have the advantage. I don't have a problem with this call, its defensible.

FIFY.

And, it's because there's a specific rule on it.

If they added a specific rule that "contact by a dribbler to the torso of a defensive player with LGP is an automatic foul" then the play here would be a foul.

I agree with those above who say this could go either way -- and we don't know what else had been happening in this game or the expectations of that area.

[JRutledge]

I actually like the call. I think it is very close, but I would call that and have called that. I do not need a defender to fall to be OK with the call.

BTW, this led to a T on the coach of the team that had a PC foul called on. But that is just more context, but thought I would show only the play in question first.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

I was a little more snarky than I needed to be.

We're going to start calling you Snarqwells!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

We're going to start calling you Snarqwells!

Hah

[ballgame99]

Great call! This isn't a play where the offensive guy just bounces off a legal defender, he knocked the defender back several feet. So you can't say the defender wasn't disadvantaged here. He took a pretty good shot in the chest and played legal defense. This is a call I would expect to get a hard time from a coach on, but I would hope I wouldn't hear about it from an evaluator that knows the rules.

[VaTerp]

I'd prefer a no call here and think the official may have anticipated a little and/or not been patient enough with his whistle.

That said, let's dispel the notion that a player needs to fall in order for it to be a PC.

[Rich]

I'm just going with expectations -- it's likely that the mythical evaluator would say that neither player really did anything wrong -- that the contact "wasn't enough."

I feel if this trips my trigger then it means that my filter is going to be set too sensitively the rest of the game.

[MD Longhorn]

I think I would have leaned against calling it myself ... but would not ding a guy on an eval for calling it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I think I would have leaned against calling it myself ... but would not ding a guy on an eval for calling it.

Right.

Problem is, then I'd expect this level of contact/displacement to be called by the entire crew every time. Right?