First time I've seen this.........and commentary

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by just another ref

GV game tonight: Girl is fouled as the buzzer sounds to end the 3rd. She goes to the line to shoot 2 with the lane cleared. She misses the first, and as she catches the ball to attempt the second she steps on the line. I whistled the violation. She looked incredulously at her own foot, then at me and gave that bewildered "Who, me?" look that fits every situation. The crowd was not happy, but not in agreement. First a lady: "What?? NOOO!!! She wasn't even on the line! NO WAY WAS SHE ON THE LINE!!" Then a man: "That ain't right! She can stand on the line as much as she wants to as long as she moves before she shoots!" I couldn't help it. I glanced up to see the source of the second comments. He explained his credentials: "I've called games!"

Kids try to adjust the foot to the line while holding the ball. At times, while trying to get it into place, it slides over or steps on the line. That is a violation by rule but I have never and will never call that. The foot, 99% of the time, then gets into the proper place behind the line. FT goes off as normal. If it stays on the line or they cross over early sure, ill call it. I view this as a "gotcha" call…a "prove I know the rule call." I have it right next to the multiple foul rule. just my opinion.

[MD Longhorn]

Put me in the camp that's booing this call from the sideline as well. Especially nowadays where we don't hand them the ball. If my throw is short or low, and they step forward to catch it, it's not really on them is it? This is grabbing the excrement-covered end of the stick.

[HokiePaul]

I would have a hard time calling this on the catch for two reasons:

1)Assuming you called this as the C (or T in 2-man)-- it could have been a bad pass from your partner that caused her to step forward to catch it. That's not unlike the player fumbling the pass -- you just re-administer the throw.

or

2) she had her foot outside the free-throw semicircle before the pass was made. If that was the case, some preventative officiating could have avoided this by simply telling her to check her feet solves the issue. I do this for players in (or almost in) marked lane spaces all the time.

[Adam]

I recall some areas want these calls made by the book. Mine does not.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Kids try to adjust the foot to the line while holding the ball. At times, while trying to get it into place, it slides over or steps on the line. That is a violation by rule but I have never and will never call that. The foot, 99% of the time, then gets into the proper place behind the line. FT goes off as normal. If it stays on the line or they cross over early sure, ill call it. I view this as a "gotcha" call…a "prove I know the rule call." I have it right next to the multiple foul rule. just my opinion.

Exactly. I'm not calling a violation in the above situation and absolutely not as the player is catching the ball. That's boo worthy officiating IMHO.

".....it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be INTELLIGENTLY applied in each play situation."

This is not applying the rule intelligently.

[SNIPERBBB]

We had a quandary here a few years ago...for some reason some girls started take their to right foot, stick it 6" past the line and draw it back as they were going through their lineup ritual.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

We had a quandary here a few years ago...for some reason some girls started take their to right foot, stick it 6" past the line and draw it back as they were going through their lineup ritual.

There's a relatively recent interp somewhere (for some level) that this is supposed to be a violation.

I get the literal reading of the rule, but, ummm, I never notice when this is allegedly happening.

Here's a similar NCAAW ruling:
DATE:

11/19/2014

RULE:

Rule 8

QUESTION:

Is it a violation during a Free Throw when the shooter has the ball in hand, is dribbling the ball and steps on the throw line, then moves it back before she starts her try? This happened in a game and the official called a violation. We talked about this after the game. My thinking was it's not a violation until she steps on the line during her attempt at the basket.

ANSWER:

This is a violation. Once the free throw shooter has the ball at her disposal, she is may not leave the free throw semicircle before the try strikes the ring, flange, or backboard or until the free throw ends (Rule 8-5.1.d). The free throw line is outside the free throw semicircle.

[just another ref]

I guess I should have told the whole story. She stepped on the line, and stayed there. The whistle was blown as she started her throwing motion. This wasn't the point, but rather that I'd never seen a violation by the shooter on a shot with the lane cleared.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I guess I should have told the whole story. She stepped on the line, and stayed there. The whistle was blown as she started her throwing motion. This wasn't the point, but rather that I'd never seen a violation by the shooter on a shot with the lane cleared.

OK, this does change things.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I guess I should have told the whole story. She stepped on the line, and stayed there. The whistle was blown as she started her throwing motion. This wasn't the point, but rather that I'd never seen a violation by the shooter on a shot with the lane cleared.

Not sure why it is surprising. The lane cleared is weird for the player and more likely for them to do something strange.

(I'd love to see a HS study on FT% with the lane cleared -- my perception is that its much lower, even though it is presumably the best FT shooter on the floor taking the shot (usually). Seems to me the fact it is different breaks some of the standard ritual for the shooters.)

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Not sure why it is surprising. The lane cleared is weird for the player and more likely for them to do something strange.

(I'd love to see a HS study on FT% with the lane cleared -- my perception is that its much lower, even though it is presumably the best FT shooter on the floor taking the shot (usually). Seems to me the fact it is different breaks some of the standard ritual for the shooters.)

Not all lane cleared FT's are selected shooter.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Not all lane cleared FT's are selected shooter.

Which is why he said (usually)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I guess I should have told the whole story. She stepped on the line, and stayed there. The whistle was blown as she started her throwing motion. This wasn't the point, but rather that I'd never seen a violation by the shooter on a shot with the lane cleared.

Over 30 years ago in a boys' VAR game. V1 shooting the 2nd FT of and TF in the 4th QT steps over the FT Line on his follow through. I wiped the FT off the board. V then has to go to OT to win the game. The game was the top two teams in the league.

MTD, Sr.