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just another ref Wed Jan 11, 2017 03:29am

First time I've seen this.........and commentary
 
GV game tonight: Girl is fouled as the buzzer sounds to end the 3rd. She goes to the line to shoot 2 with the lane cleared. She misses the first, and as she catches the ball to attempt the second she steps on the line. I whistled the violation. She looked incredulously at her own foot, then at me and gave that bewildered "Who, me?" look that fits every situation. The crowd was not happy, but not in agreement. First a lady: "What?? NOOO!!! She wasn't even on the line! NO WAY WAS SHE ON THE LINE!!" Then a man: "That ain't right! She can stand on the line as much as she wants to as long as she moves before she shoots!" I couldn't help it. I glanced up to see the source of the second comments. He explained his credentials: "I've called games!"

Rich Wed Jan 11, 2017 07:32am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 997004)
GV game tonight: Girl is fouled as the buzzer sounds to end the 3rd. She goes to the line to shoot 2 with the lane cleared. She misses the first, and as she catches the ball to attempt the second she steps on the line. I whistled the violation. She looked incredulously at her own foot, then at me and gave that bewildered "Who, me?" look that fits every situation. The crowd was not happy, but not in agreement. First a lady: "What?? NOOO!!! She wasn't even on the line! NO WAY WAS SHE ON THE LINE!!" Then a man: "That ain't right! She can stand on the line as much as she wants to as long as she moves before she shoots!" I couldn't help it. I glanced up to see the source of the second comments. He explained his credentials: "I've called games!"



As she catches it? Really? I'd probably boo, too.

loners4me Wed Jan 11, 2017 08:01am

violation.

bob jenkins Wed Jan 11, 2017 08:25am

I'm not even looking yet.

loners4me Wed Jan 11, 2017 08:30am

I get the "dont be that guy" but at what point would you call it. What if she stood there longer? What if she took a few more steps towards the endline?

Rich Wed Jan 11, 2017 09:27am

How is she violating the spirit of tbe free throw?

When she starts her throwing motion, then I'll care.

jTheUmp Wed Jan 11, 2017 09:28am

Did she step on the line while receiving the ball because of a bad pass from the L? I'd find it VERY hard to fault the thrower for that.

Spirit of the rule is that a violation occurs because the player is standing on the line to gain an advantage (specifically, being slightly closer to the goal on the shot attempt). In this case, I don't see the advantage being gained.

If she delays for a few seconds after receiving the ball or is on the line when she starts her shot attempt, by all means, call the violation.

BryanV21 Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:22am

I always check to see if players are legally in their spots before administering the free throw. Sometimes players are going over what to do after the free throw, getting instructions from coaches, etc. So they aren't thinking about being lined up 100% legally yet.

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BigCat Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 997004)
GV game tonight: Girl is fouled as the buzzer sounds to end the 3rd. She goes to the line to shoot 2 with the lane cleared. She misses the first, and as she catches the ball to attempt the second she steps on the line. I whistled the violation. She looked incredulously at her own foot, then at me and gave that bewildered "Who, me?" look that fits every situation. The crowd was not happy, but not in agreement. First a lady: "What?? NOOO!!! She wasn't even on the line! NO WAY WAS SHE ON THE LINE!!" Then a man: "That ain't right! She can stand on the line as much as she wants to as long as she moves before she shoots!" I couldn't help it. I glanced up to see the source of the second comments. He explained his credentials: "I've called games!"

Kids try to adjust the foot to the line while holding the ball. At times, while trying to get it into place, it slides over or steps on the line. That is a violation by rule but I have never and will never call that. The foot, 99% of the time, then gets into the proper place behind the line. FT goes off as normal. If it stays on the line or they cross over early sure, ill call it. I view this as a "gotcha" call…a "prove I know the rule call." I have it right next to the multiple foul rule. just my opinion.

MD Longhorn Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:44am

Put me in the camp that's booing this call from the sideline as well. Especially nowadays where we don't hand them the ball. If my throw is short or low, and they step forward to catch it, it's not really on them is it? This is grabbing the excrement-covered end of the stick.

HokiePaul Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:46am

I would have a hard time calling this on the catch for two reasons:

1)Assuming you called this as the C (or T in 2-man)-- it could have been a bad pass from your partner that caused her to step forward to catch it. That's not unlike the player fumbling the pass -- you just re-administer the throw.

or

2) she had her foot outside the free-throw semicircle before the pass was made. If that was the case, some preventative officiating could have avoided this by simply telling her to check her feet solves the issue. I do this for players in (or almost in) marked lane spaces all the time.

Adam Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:53am

I recall some areas want these calls made by the book. Mine does not.

VaTerp Wed Jan 11, 2017 01:13pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 997033)
Kids try to adjust the foot to the line while holding the ball. At times, while trying to get it into place, it slides over or steps on the line. That is a violation by rule but I have never and will never call that. The foot, 99% of the time, then gets into the proper place behind the line. FT goes off as normal. If it stays on the line or they cross over early sure, ill call it. I view this as a "gotcha" call…a "prove I know the rule call." I have it right next to the multiple foul rule. just my opinion.

Exactly. I'm not calling a violation in the above situation and absolutely not as the player is catching the ball. That's boo worthy officiating IMHO.

".....it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be INTELLIGENTLY applied in each play situation."

This is not applying the rule intelligently.

SNIPERBBB Wed Jan 11, 2017 01:24pm

We had a quandary here a few years ago...for some reason some girls started take their to right foot, stick it 6" past the line and draw it back as they were going through their lineup ritual.

just another ref Wed Jan 11, 2017 01:26pm

I guess I should have told the whole story. She stepped on the line, and stayed there. The whistle was blown as she started her throwing motion. This wasn't the point, but rather that I'd never seen a violation by the shooter on a shot with the lane cleared.


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