Chain Reaction Foul #2

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

So what about following the rule book and calling a foul on B2 (in case I got the player designation wrong... the one that actually contacting the shooter), as well as a tech on B3 (the one that pushed his teammate into the shooter)?

To be clear, I'm not saying this is the right thing, just asking if this is a viable solution.

Bryan, first let me be clear, a teammate can shove his own player into an opponent for a number of reasons that dont amount to unsportsmanlike, flagrant, intentional etc. B2 is in the wrong place, i shove him to get him where the hell he is supposed to be. B2 is in the way and B3 is trying to get to a position to block a shot etc. These things happen in basketball. Not ill intent etc. Cant be a personal against the player who shoves him for reasons others have stated. I agree foul is on B2.

If I see a player who's caused trouble all night, etc., i see him shove his own player into another with intent to deliver some sort of blow, I know there is very bad intent, im only going to call the flagrant T. If i'm certain he's acting in flagrant manner im going to penalize him. I wouldnt penalize B2 if i was already tossing B3 etc.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Bryan, first let me be clear, a teammate can shove his own player into an opponent for a number of reasons that dont amount to unsportsmanlike, flagrant, intentional etc. B2 is in the wrong place, i shove him to get him where the hell he is supposed to be. B2 is in the way and B3 is trying to get to a position to block a shot etc. These things happen in basketball. Not ill intent etc. Cant be a personal against the player who shoves him for reasons others have stated. I agree foul is on B2.

If I see a player who's caused trouble all night, etc., i see him shove his own player into another with intent to deliver some sort of blow, I know there is very bad intent, im only going to call the flagrant T. If i'm certain he's acting in flagrant manner im going to penalize him. I wouldnt penalize B2 if i was already tossing B3 etc.

I would think you'd have a shooting foul for sure, and possibly a tech or flagrant against B3 to go with it.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I would think you'd have a shooting foul for sure, and possibly a tech or flagrant against B3 to go with it.

I know it would be a cluster but letting B3 off the hook for a flagrant act because he didnt make actual contact with the opponent cant be right. On the street it is still battery. I'm not saying B3 goes to jail but there has to be a penalty to him, imo.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I know it would be a cluster but letting B3 off the hook for a flagrant act because he didnt make actual contact with the opponent cant be right. On the street it is still battery. I'm not saying B3 goes to jail but there has to be a penalty to him, imo.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'll ask again.. Can you not have both a shooting foul and tech or flagrant?



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[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'll ask again.. Can you not have both a shooting foul and tech or flagrant?



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I'm thinking as I go. If the only way i can penalize B3 is to call it non contact flagrant tech i cant award two FTs for act of shooting. If I am going to give the shooter 2 i have to penalize B2. Probably would. Team B owns B3.

[MD Longhorn]

Honestly, I see this solution as completely viable. You HAVE to call the foul on B2 and give the shots.

But I don't think it's completely outside the realm of possibility to ALSO issue a technical on B3.

[kelvinsmerli]

A lot of knowledge gained here. Thanks. Foul on B2. Hard shove by B3 Unsporting T.