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Freddy Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:42am

Chain Reaction Foul #2
 
A1 is in the act of shooting.
B3 pushes B2 into A1 causing illegal contact with the shooter.
A1’s attempt is unsuccessful.

Q: Is the foul charged to B3 or B2?

JeffM Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 996745)
A1 is in the act of shooting.
B3 pushes B2 into A1 causing illegal contact with the shooter.
A1’s attempt is unsuccessful.

Q: Is the foul charged to B3 or B2?

I am calling the foul on B2 and A1 is shooting free throws if A1 is the shooter.

kelvinsmerli Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:48am

B3 with the Push.

kelvinsmerli Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:50am

Calling the foul on B2 is PC cuz you probably dont wish to explain yourself. See the whole play.

Camron Rust Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 996745)
A1 is in the act of shooting.
B3 pushes B2 into A1 causing illegal contact with the shooter.
A1’s attempt is unsuccessful.

Q: Is the foul charged to B3 or B2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffM (Post 996746)
I am calling the foul on B2 and A1 is shooting free throws if A1 is the shooter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelvinsmerli (Post 996749)
Calling the foul on B2 is PC cuz you probably dont wish to explain yourself. See the whole play.

I'm good with a foul on B2 in this one. B2 did not legally contact A1. It doesn't matter that B3 gave b2 the impetus that caused the contact. There is no rule against B3 pushing B2.

Freddy Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:15pm

Is there some case play or interpretation or rule that I'm missing on this situation? I can't find anything.

Adam Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:23pm

B2 gets the foul, he is the one who actually fouled A. He can take it up with B3 later.

Rich Mon Jan 09, 2017 01:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelvinsmerli (Post 996749)
Calling the foul on B2 is PC cuz you probably dont wish to explain yourself. See the whole play.

How can you call a foul on B3 for contacting his own player? Find rules support for that one.

Raymond Mon Jan 09, 2017 01:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 996745)
A1 is in the act of shooting.
B3 pushes B2 into A1 causing illegal contact with the shooter.
A1’s attempt is unsuccessful.

Q: Is the foul charged to B3 or B2?

Illegal contact usually isn't intentional. The fact that B3 was involved doesn't change that.

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BigCat Mon Jan 09, 2017 01:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 996745)
A1 is in the act of shooting.
B3 pushes B2 into A1 causing illegal contact with the shooter.
A1’s attempt is unsuccessful.

Q: Is the foul charged to B3 or B2?

I'd have to see your play. I suppose I could always call unsportsmanlike on B3. I'd have to see it. If it is simply B3 trying to get to the shooter and he shoves B2 trying to get by or something similar i agree with everyone else. Foul on B2.

I do think unsportsmanlike is an option but it would need to be bad. If a player fires a ball at an opponent we can penalize that so id assume if he fired a teammate through the air at opponent that could be unsportsmanlike….

Adam Mon Jan 09, 2017 01:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelvinsmerli (Post 996749)
Calling the foul on B2 is PC cuz you probably dont wish to explain yourself. See the whole play.

I'll be honest, I'm really not sure what you're saying here, cuz. But you get points for trying to use a camp cliché. You don't get full points, though, because it's not really applicable to this play.

I have no problem explaining this to either coach. "the foul is on the player who actually contacted the opponent." I bet I can say that and enunciate extremely well in less than 5 seconds.

SNIPERBBB Mon Jan 09, 2017 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 996764)
I'd have to see your play. I suppose I could always call unsportsmanlike on B3. I'd have to see it. If it is simply B3 trying to get to the shooter and he shoves B2 trying to get by or something similar i agree with everyone else. Foul on B2.

I do think unsportsmanlike is an option but it would need to be bad. If a player fires a ball at an opponent we can penalize that so id assume if he fired a teammate through the air at opponent that could be unsportsmanlike….

I think your really trying to stretch to get to serve T here lately.

kelvinsmerli Mon Jan 09, 2017 05:37pm

No, but I am thirsty. He who causes the foul. I had A2 hit B1 Who hit A1 and i nailed A2 for it. A coach went ballistic. Had 3 board members in the stands who went breathless till I got my preliminary out. Better 2 Be right than popular.

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SNIPERBBB Mon Jan 09, 2017 06:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelvinsmerli (Post 996800)
No, but I am thirsty. He who causes the foul. I had A2 hit B1 Who hit A1 and i nailed A2 for it. A coach went ballistic. Had 3 board members in the stands who went breathless till I got my preliminary out. Better 2 Be right than popular.

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Yoi were right for that play. In the OP, you would be wrong.

youngump Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 996802)
Yoi were right for that play. In the OP, you would be wrong.

That would depend on who he said was fouled. If he called A2 for fouling A1 using the logic from above ...:rolleyes:


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