Made shot and simultaneous off ball foul

[diehardmason]

Saw this play: A5 is posting up on the block with B5 defending. A1 dribbles just opposite side of the lane and begins a shot attempt. B5 sees the attempt beginning and pushes A5 with arm extended and displaces him a foot or so in order to gain rebounding position. Lead blows the push during the attempt, which A1 makes. Officials huddle to discuss quickly and award the shot attempt plus A ball baseline spot for the foul penalty. Is that correct?


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[bas2456]

Originally Posted by diehardmason

Saw this play: A5 is posting up on the block with B5 defending. A1 dribbles just opposite side of the lane and begins a shot attempt. A5 sees the attempt beginning and pushes B5 with arm extended and displaces him a foot or so in order to gain rebounding position. Lead blows the push during the attempt, which A1 makes. Officials huddle to discuss quickly and award the shot attempt plus A ball baseline spot for the foul penalty. Is that correct?


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Team A shoots. While ball is in flight, A fouls B. Shot goes in.

Why would A get the ball out of bounds?

[JRutledge]

I had the foul switched.

Continuous motion does not apply because this is a Team Control Foul and give the ball to Team B at the nearest spot of the foul.

Peace

[bas2456]

I think you're misreading the OP.

[BigCat]

4-11

Continuous motion rule.

If there is a foul by the offense (team A) before A1 releases the try the ball becomes dead immediately. No goal. If A1 has released the try before the foul by A2 occurs, ball not dead. basket will count if it goes.

If the defense fouls after A1 begins trying motion the ball does not become dead even if still in A1 hands. He gets to complete the motion/try.

[bas2456]

Ok so my confusion then is whether or not the ball is in flight. OP is saying the ball is not in flight yet, correct?

[BryanV21]

"Lead blows the push during the attempt"

Not "after" the attempt.... "during". The foul on A5 causes the ball to be dead, so the shot never happened.

4-11-3 continuous motion does not apply if a teammate fouls after a player has started a try for goal and before the ball is in flight. The ball becomes dead immediately.

[diehardmason]

Let me correct a mistake as I did edit it just now: B5 fouls A5 DURING (airborne shooter) A1 shot attempt. Sorry for the confusion.

The defender fouls an offensive player during the offensive players shot attempt. A1 was air


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[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

"Lead blows the push during the attempt"

Not "after" the attempt.... "during". The foul on A5 causes the ball to be dead, so the shot never happened.

4-11-3 continuous motion does not apply if a teammate fouls after a player has started a try for goal and before the ball is in flight. The ball becomes dead immediately.

Bryan,
Why do you think "during the attempt" means a foul by the offense makes the ball dead? If I'm in the Act of shooting and I release the ball it is still "during the attempt." If A2 fouls after release ball is not dead. The OP saying "during attempt" doesn't mean to me that the ball is still in shooters hands. It's not entirely clear which is why I mentioned both parts of 4-11

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Bryan,
Why do you think "during the attempt" means a foul by the offense makes the ball dead? If I'm in the Act of shooting and I release the ball it is still "during the attempt." If A2 fouls after release ball is not dead. The OP saying "during attempt" doesn't mean to me that the ball is still in shooters hands. It's not entirely clear which is why I mentioned both parts of 4-11

Okay, good point. I read it as if the ball hadn't left the shooter's hand. But you're right.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Okay, good point. I read it as if the ball hadn't left the shooter's hand. But you're right.

Try begins when habitual shooting motion etc starts. It ends when it goes in or certain to be missed etc. So "during" attempt can be while A1 still has ball or after he releases it etc.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by diehardmason

Let me correct a mistake as I did edit it just now: B5 fouls A5 DURING (airborne shooter) A1 shot attempt. Sorry for the confusion.

The defender fouls an offensive player during the offensive players shot attempt. A1 was air


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OK, well then continuous motion applies as this is a foul on the opponent of the shooting team.

You give the ball back to Team A (as I stated originally) by either bonus FTs or ball out of bounds to Team A.

Peace

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by diehardmason

Let me correct a mistake as I did edit it just now: B5 fouls A5 DURING (airborne shooter) A1 shot attempt. Sorry for the confusion.

The defender fouls an offensive player during the offensive players shot attempt. A1 was air


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Yes, that makes a big difference....if the defense fouls "during the attempt" that's all we need to know. Whether he has released ball or not doesn't matter.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by diehardmason

Let me correct a mistake as I did edit it just now: B5 fouls A5 DURING (airborne shooter) A1 shot attempt. Sorry for the confusion.

The defender fouls an offensive player during the offensive players shot attempt. A1 was air


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Are you using the term "airborne shooter" correctly?
An airborne shooter is a player which has released the ball on a try for goal and not yet returned to the floor.
It is unclear from your description whether A1 has released the try or not. Of course, the ruling for the defensive foul is the same, as a couple of others have pointed out.

[chymechowder]

so let's say:

A1 jumps and releases shot;

while A1 is still airborne, B5 pushes A5; official signals foul (team B's 6th);

before A1 returns to the ground, B1 slides his hips into A1's legs and fouls him (team B's 7th);

A1's try is unsuccessful.

After A1's free-throws, does A get the ball nearest to B5's foul because B5's foul was the 6th team foul? Or does A5 shoot 1 & 1 because B has 7 fouls by the time we're dealing with B5's push?