To T or Not to T--What Would You Have Done?

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Rich

Toss it up, work the game.

Too much concern over penalizing someone. It's 9am on a Saturday, it's a freshman game. Pick your battles better.

As stated above, my partner was looking for any excuse to not assess a technical foul. He got what he was looking for, and we moved on.

Let's say, though, that the conditions are "right" to assess the technical. The visitors coach knows the rule and wants the tech enforced.

You could...enforce the technical, knowing that the coach wanting the tech is correct by rule. Or, you could tell him, no coach, it's a freshman game on a Saturday morning, we're not going to enforce the rule.

Where I work, we're told to enforce the uniform rules at every level. Don't know why we would ignore this rule just because it's a freshman game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

As stated above, my partner was looking for any excuse to not assess a technical foul. He got what he was looking for, and we moved on.

Let's say, though, that the conditions are "right" to assess the technical. The visitors coach knows the rule and wants the tech enforced.

You could...enforce the technical, knowing that the coach wanting the tech is correct by rule. Or, you could tell him, no coach, it's a freshman game on a Saturday morning, we're not going to enforce the rule.

Where I work, we're told to enforce the uniform rules at every level. Don't know why we would ignore this rule just because it's a freshman game.

There are a lot of assignors in this area that do not want you to be T'ing up everyone for book stuff most of the time either. Again, I really would not care about if they had a certain amount of time, I think I would find a reason to not have that issue. Heck you can always stop the clock on the game clock until you have both teams on the floor. Do everything not to have that situation. It just starts the game in a bad way and then you have to debate how right you were for several minutes. Not worth it most of the time at that level. The only way I would do that is if the conference had a policy and they just did not follow it. But sometimes you do not have even 10 minutes on the clock so you are reaching for the enforcement of this rule.

And I would like to know who wants uniform rules enforced at all levels. Mostly the people I work for say we are to be "technical" at the varsity level. Do what we can to allow them to play at the other levels.

Peace

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I would like to know who wants uniform rules enforced at all levels. Mostly the people I work for say we are to be "technical" at the varsity level. Do what we can to allow them to play at the other levels.

Peace

Mostly on the girls' side, but it's becoming an issue on the boys side as well with the prevalence of "tights" and long sleeves. This is what we've got an eye out for in the pregame, right? Taking care of uniform issues before the game starts so that we can just play when it's time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Mostly on the girls' side, but it's becoming an issue on the boys side as well with the prevalence of "tights" and long sleeves. This is what we've got an eye out for in the pregame, right? Taking care of uniform issues before the game starts so that we can just play when it's time.

This is not a uniform issue, this is a book issue. And unless we are talking about things like tight colors or uniform colors, we are often ask to not nit pick something like what color jersey is worn if that is all the school has. Like if a home team had only gold jerseys, I probably would not do a thing if that is all they had. They are often passed down those uniforms and not the ones that are bought in the first round.

Peace

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is not a uniform issue, this is a book issue. And unless we are talking about things like tight colors or uniform colors, we are often ask to not nit pick something like what color jersey is worn if that is all the school has. Like if a home team had only gold jerseys, I probably would not do a thing if that is all they had. They are often passed down those uniforms and not the ones that are bought in the first round.



Peace

Right, of course. I know what you mean. And you're right, I am talking about accessory colors and all that.


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[Mregor]

Here is your answer...

Originally Posted by bas2456

Where I work, we're told to enforce the uniform rules at every level. Don't know why we would ignore this rule just because it's a freshman game.

If that's what your boss wants, why even ask us?

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Here is your answer...





If that's what your boss wants, why even ask us?

I asked merely out of curiosity.


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[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

As stated above, my partner was looking for any excuse to not assess a technical foul. He got what he was looking for, and we moved on.

Let's say, though, that the conditions are "right" to assess the technical. The visitors coach knows the rule and wants the tech enforced.

You could...enforce the technical, knowing that the coach wanting the tech is correct by rule. Or, you could tell him, no coach, it's a freshman game on a Saturday morning, we're not going to enforce the rule.

Where I work, we're told to enforce the uniform rules at every level. Don't know why we would ignore this rule just because it's a freshman game.

If it's at the 9 minute mark rather than the 10, I'm not calling it and I will let the coach know that as well. It's Saturday morning (or Monday night), we're going to be relaxed on that a bit. I can tell you for a fact the subvarsity assigner in my area would expect as much, and any coaches who want otherwise are new. If he pushes, I'll just advise him that at some point he's going to appreciate that approach from the officials in our area.

If we're actually delaying the start of the game because of it, I'll call the T and move on.

As for your last sentence, there are other rules we (in my area) are more lax on for sub-varsity games, and they're all of this nature. White uniforms for home team, for example. Double (or illegal) numbers "fixed" with masking tape or duct tape.

You said your partner was looking for an excuse not to call the T when the coach is 1 minute late, the only thing I'd need is the fact that it's a freshman game (Saturday morning is irrelevant, mostly). No one here wants that called in those games.

Your area may be different. And the rule is "ten minutes before scheduled start time." If the game is schedule to start at 9 and the home team isn't on the court by 15 til, I'm making sure the clock gets re-set.

[packersowner]

I'm all for being on-time, but what if the shoes were reversed. What if you got caught in traffic and were not on the court at 15, should the school start docking your pay?

I'm enforcing this rule if the coach is going to be idiot about it, such as not giving his roster until the last minute for some not so special reason, but as someone else stated, there are bigger hills to do die on.

[VaTerp]

I do not really see myself starting a 9am Freshman game with a technical foul for an administrative book issue.

That said. Do what is expected by the assinger and powers that be. Just do your best to know what those expectations really are.

In my neck of the woods you don't want to be the guy that calls this T. If you want your schedule to advance.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I do not really see myself starting a 9am Freshman game with a technical foul for an administrative book issue.

That said. Do what is expected by the assinger and powers that be. Just do your best to know what those expectations really are.

In my neck of the woods you don't want to be the guy that calls this T. If you want your schedule to advance.

Along the lines of T selection, how do y'all look at dunking in warmups? JV league game, after the ref crew was on the floor, a couple of those dunks that are loud enough to hear, with no call. That surprised me (though I frankly think the no dunking rule is a bit silly, but that's a separate issue) -- do y'all "not see" those even if you're on the court?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Along the lines of T selection, how do y'all look at dunking in warmups? JV league game, after the ref crew was on the floor, a couple of those dunks that are loud enough to hear, with no call. That surprised me (though I frankly think the no dunking rule is a bit silly, but that's a separate issue) -- do y'all "not see" those even if you're on the court?

Nope. Someone throws one down, we're starting with free throws.

And no, we don't do the silly "blow the whistle as we're entering the floor thing" either.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Rich

And no, we don't do the silly "blow the whistle as we're entering the floor thing" either.

I've seen a few reference this on here. Is this a mechanic somewhere????

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Along the lines of T selection, how do y'all look at dunking in warmups? JV league game, after the ref crew was on the floor, a couple of those dunks that are loud enough to hear, with no call. That surprised me (though I frankly think the no dunking rule is a bit silly, but that's a separate issue) -- do y'all "not see" those even if you're on the court?

No, dunking in warmups is entirely different than an administrative issue like the one in this thread. A slight touching of the rim may get a "dont do that again" but "loud enough to hear" pre-game dunks are easy and automatic. Should never get to the point of multiple.

That said, there are at least 2 prominent state level officials around here who have basically stated they will never start one of their games with a T for dunking. I'm more lenient than some on many things but I don't share that mindset.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bas2456

As stated above, my partner was looking for any excuse to not assess a technical foul. He got what he was looking for, and we moved on.

Let's say, though, that the conditions are "right" to assess the technical. The visitors coach knows the rule and wants the tech enforced.

You could...enforce the technical, knowing that the coach wanting the tech is correct by rule. Or, you could tell him, no coach, it's a freshman game on a Saturday morning, we're not going to enforce the rule.

Where I work, we're told to enforce the uniform rules at every level. Don't know why we would ignore this rule just because it's a freshman game.

"sure coach we'll go by the book. Make sure you don't step a foot outside the coaches box because by rule its a T."